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Previous to the creation of the Inactive Clan Leader thread by myself there was no method for the removal of inactive or banned clan leaders. We set the 12 months as the period as we considered that to be a period of time over with a player was definitely lapsed, rather than being affected by seasonality - that is why it would become resource heavy as it would catch a lot of seasonal players too.

While we would like to create an automated system for the removal of inactive Clan Leaders, and have discussed designs for it, the work required would be extensive and as such it is not something we would be able to resource in the forseeable future. Hence it is an item on the Wishlist for Clans. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey

22-Apr-2016 08:11:57

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I didn't originally make this thread on my behalf, but this account that I'm on now is being held hostage by the owner of my clan who is inactive.. I founded this clan in 2013 and when I took a break on this account, I responsibly gave it to the next in line who also quit and now the clan is dead and I refuse to leave the clan I've founded.

The "owner" hasn't been on in 5 months probably, or longer. I think he gained 1k xp at one point, resetting the time I have to wait... This is such a frustrating problem.

I do want to be clear that this thread was not made for my current account situation, but actually on behalf of my new "main" account that is facing this exact same problem and ALSO on the behalf of other friends that are dealing with this.

I sincerely wish Jagex took a stronger approach to the inactive owner problem. Upon the creation of a clan, "Owners" should be forewarned of a stricter inactive policy.
One that isn't 12 months of gaining 0 xp
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30-Apr-2016 07:22:45

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The biggest reason why I support this thread is because the 12 month requirement results in a lot of sadness and disappointment. Currently, that also happens to be the prevalent ethos on the Inactive Clan Leaders thread, and I'd really like to dispel some of that.

Vera said :
Support our brethren posting on the Inactive Clan Leaders thread by raising awareness. My thoughts on what I think MattHe's next plan of action should be, based on my limited knowledge on what's going on:

1. Update OP to require that requests follow the below template:
Clan:
Owner:
Deputy:

2. Post on the thread to acknowledge that it's still alive, and to request that those who have already posted edit their posts to include the above formatting.

Thank people for their patience, mention how NXT has had everyone busy/whatever else, give people at least some sort of expectation, for example "I'll respond to 10 requests within the next hour, and eventually update the system by the end of the month."

We have a voice where other clan leaders do not :( And clan culture is something I'd like to advocate, even for others, since it's such a valuable part of Runescape.
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01-May-2016 06:40:23

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MsStargazer said :
Chee arra said :
Vera said :
Hi Matthe, while this thread is meant to be hopeful, it is completely heartbreaking at times and I want to speak up for those who are being shafted for trivial reasons.

1 year of the clan leader not logging in is too long. Could you reconsider reducing the first criteria to 6 months? Logging in doesn't constitute activity--a few years ago I logged in, was completely nonplussed by the EOC interface and didn't know about legacy mode, so I logged out after a grand total of 10 minutes of "activity."

Thank you though for this initiative; I simply think it could be more realistic and efficacious.
Support for this, I had to wait 6 months because my clan leader apparently logged in for 10 minutes while I was offline. My request was apparently approved recently but I still haven't been ranked up. Logging in does not constitute activity and activity should really be 4-6 months.
I also support this, my clan recently requested a change of ownership but were told that the "owner" had logged in within the last month, no one in the clan had seen him log in during this time. So we now have to wait at least another 10 months during which time the "owner" could log in again, so ownership to an active clan member could potentially never be granted.
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01-May-2016 06:45:20

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AyKhan said :
Apologies for being impatient and chasing again. Any ETA of when my request will be looked into? The current owner does not even know he is the owner.

...This clan means so much to me, I could easily make a new clan but there is a sentimental value to me. All those who have taken a break from Runescape will eventually come back and they will want to get back in touch with the clannies.

...Without ownership, there is a chance I won't be able to do all the things I need to do to bring us back. Matty Mad11 said :
just checking in on this as its been over a month now Wubbleyou said :
I am a little early in making this request but I’m assuming the 12 months will be up before this is seen ;p noddaclew said :
We continue to have issues with the avatar since no active person has persmission, and the only person who can change that hasn't shown up for a year. AyKhan said :
TOO LONG TO QUOTE ENTIRE THING, BUT ENTIRE POST IS WORTH READING. noddaclew said :
1. Vivy, i whole-heartedly agree.
Thanks for tactfully posting the sentiments i can't seem to express without my anger coming through. Lexie said :
(i'm a little worried cause i see Mod Matthe haven't posted here since over two months) noddaclew said :
Ditto to that last. I can only assume that all mods were somehow involved in the recent client upgrade and now face a huge backlog of ordinary duties.
At least i hope so. Hate to think they've given up on this service to clans. Of all the quotes that exist on that thread, the above are only the ones whose sentiments could be concisely conveyed.
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01-May-2016 06:55:12 - Last edited on 01-May-2016 06:57:02 by Vera

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It is a very sad situation for some people indeed :( There simply has to be a better inactive leader policy than the current one that exists.
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02-May-2016 00:32:47

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Agreed that the current policy could be improved. But even as it is, it's better than nothing, and progress is a continuum; currently having the thread updated, even if not by MattHe, would be a good first step.

MattHe
, if your plate is too busy, can you give a coworker the opportunity to be involved in clan life on Runescape? Whoever's next to update the inactive clan leaders thread I'll thank on Twitter, to help promote clan attention and updates
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02-May-2016 02:16:43

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Or, perhaps a restructuring of the leadership code to begin with. Although this seems very much unlikely as they've said it's too much dev required in the clan code.
Example: Automatic demoting of leaders
completely
inactive for 6 months.

I just feel like a harsher stance towards Inactive owners should exist. No one is blaming people for taking a break from the game and doing what's important in real life! Those of us still playing the game shouldn't be left out to dry though.

Edit: I still believe strengthening the criteria for which clans are eligible to request inactive leader removal would greatly reduce the work load?
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02-May-2016 02:39:13 - Last edited on 02-May-2016 02:41:26 by Body btw

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Vera said :
Agreed that the current policy could be improved. But even as it is, it's better than nothing, and progress is a continuum; currently having the thread updated, even if not by MattHe, would be a good first step.

MattHe
, if your plate is too busy, can you give a coworker the opportunity to be involved in clan life on Runescape? Whoever's next to update the inactive clan leaders thread I'll thank on Twitter, to help promote clan attention and updates

All of us are extremely busy - the Inactive Leaders thread is overdue though and I will be locking it and working on it today. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey

03-May-2016 08:22:56

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