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Mod Matthe

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Tigergal44 said :


Thinking outside the box for a moment Matt would you consider releasing those trapped by Clan Owners who pop into lobby or game for flash periods to retain their Clan
- allow in special circumstance a new Clan to be formed that carries with it the Citadel / avatars etc of the old Clan (after all it is the Clan members who worked so hard to achieve this - not the Clan Owner.
- this would not be a way for a break away group gaining a quick start. Only through application, a proven pattern of neglect from the Clan Owner and any other criteria you wish to make.
- This would allow the Clan 'Owner' to have their Clan and the real healthy playing Clan to move on.

That is not something we have any tools to support. The current Inactive Clan Owner removal is done manually through a clan data direct editing and there is no way we would be happy attempting to construct a citadel artificially in the same way.

We would prefer to put in place an inactive clan owner system, accessible to players, but that is not currently a high priority given the relatively low number of cases it applies in. Mod MattHe | Former Community Manager, now in Events & occasional Lore Monkey

05-Apr-2016 07:26:28

Body btw

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Respectfully, Mod Matthe, this isn't really a small number or a small issue. Clan's just die off before anything is heard about it because Lucine said :
Even a month of leadership inactivity can have a disastrous effects to the Clan's overall health. this couldn't be closer to the truth.

Look how "popular" the inactive clan leader thread is
... A clan is not one person, a clan is many people and a clan is founded by five people. A sense of ownership should be distributed between those five people at the very least.

Think of it like venture capitalism, one person might own 40% while 6 others own 10% of the shares. I don't even know where I was going with that analogy lol . The point is one person should not own 100, 200, 300+ people.

At some point the ownership should be forfeited and I think 12 months is asking a lot in terms of the clan actually surviving....
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06-Apr-2016 06:14:03 - Last edited on 06-Apr-2016 06:24:38 by Body btw

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Body btw said :
Look how "popular" the inactive clan leader thread is... A clan is not one person, a clan is many people and a clan is founded by five people. A sense of ownership should be distributed between those five people at the very least.
Bodyy
has really really good points here, which I agree with a lot.

It made me think about how 99% of the time, I'm a regular clan member who happens to be nice. Only 1% of the time does my voice represent the clan's, due to my overall understanding of our internal and implicit values.
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06-Apr-2016 07:15:32

Tigergal44

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I stood as a deputy leader with an inactive Clan Leader (who was always going to return, I do believe that even now he honestly believes that) for close to 12 months. 24 months if you count popping in for the occasional week.

I understand how hard it is for so many out there. Yet I was one of the lucky ones - if I left a message saying I want X done, it would be done within 24 hours. When I finally made the decision for him and said "I want the Clan" again I had leadership within 24 hours. Knowing how hard it was for me at times to keep the Clan thriving when I had that support, I honestly do not know how so many manage to keep there groups going with so little attention.

And I agree, it is not a small issue. I know a very small portion of the Runescape community but know so many in this position. Lets stop this Ownership rubbish and support the Clan members not the inconsiderate few who hold many to ransom.

06-Apr-2016 22:03:05

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Interesting discussion here. I'm only a clan deputy so I didn't set the clan up but I see the clan I am in as belonging to all the members and not just the owner. The members have all worked hard to get it where it is and waiting 12 months for an AWOL owner to be removed is a very long time. Join us at
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09-Apr-2016 15:19:56

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Tiger
, woah, that's actually pretty impressive how your clan owner was still responsive. That's awesome, and in such a case I think he was still worthy of holding on to that clan owner title, for the same of ownership--since he was still fulfilling his duties.

Nona
, I agree with that completely, and very well said. After such a point, honoring someone's ownership only in name, when they're doing nothing else, is disrespectful toward deserved and actual ownership.
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09-Apr-2016 18:46:13 - Last edited on 09-Apr-2016 18:47:48 by Vera

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Through the years, circumstances made it necessary for us to build a clan from scratch again. We've actually gone through this twice. It wasn't due to a AWOL leader but it involved starting over all the same.

It's hard work, but if a clan's owner goes missing for as little as a couple of months, you'd be better off to just recognize your clan has a problem and start making plans to found a new one with active members. Letting it drag on for months just makes the process more difficult if not impossible if the clan dies before you act.

Losing a high tiered citadel is probably one of the more painful parts of it. But I'm not even sure how vital having that Tier 7 citadel is to many players these days.

My advice is don't wait for Jagex to take action. Be proactive for the benefit of your clan in the long run. It will be easier to do today than three months from now (if the leaderless clan survives that long.)

12-Apr-2016 00:35:48

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New updates that come in as Clan Leader only and they then have to give permissions via to others. The last 2 were

- In Clan Broadcasts (who has capped , entered etc)
- Avatar recall (which is when I said enough is enough)

Aside from these and any new ones in the pipe line ( which is why we originally asked for new updates to be opened to deputy leaders) it depends on how loose the Leader left things.

Apart from that an absent Leader gives the Clan an atmosephere

- of neglect. With the best efforts of the rest of the Clan an absent 'Boss' gives a vibe to the Clan.
- the high ranks do not have 100% authority needed as there is always the threat of appealing to the Leader (mine has not been a Leader for many months but still undercuts me via off site forum - I think he thinks he is being funny)

12-Apr-2016 09:12:36

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Ok, that's what I thought. Has anything come of the new update permissions for deputies?

Maybe instead of removing the leader, Jagex could reset the permissions to deputies if it is easy enough for them to do. maybe if the leader is absent for three months or so.

There's not much to be done about the clan atmosphere but it would be easier on the deputies if they could use the abilities needed for the clan to move forward. (if the leader has them set to leader only).

*I am trying to think of a possible compromise, seeing as the jmods seem adamant that they will not remove the leader earlier than 12 months.* :)
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12-Apr-2016 10:07:17

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