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We're talking about strictly not logging in and complete inactivity here, not an owner choosing to keep his/her status by making sure they log in at least once each year. Thanks for posting
If someone doesn't log in for a single minute within 6 months it seems like to me they've abandoned their rank as owner and their clan shouldn't just have to sit by and watch it suffer with a lack of proper leadership for another 6 months. There's clans I know that wouldn't make it under these conditions and/or have already disbanded because of this.
There's no "I" in team, an owner is just a position one holds with certain abilities and powers to help keep the "team" together. If the owner doesn't log in for 6 months, how are they still a part of the team much less a central part of the team (owner)?
Edit/Note: I'll stop replying for a bit and let others get their word in
If someone doesn't log in for a single minute within 6 months it seems like to me they've abandoned their rank as owner and their clan shouldn't just have to sit by and watch it suffer with a lack of proper leadership for another 6 months. There's clans I know that wouldn't make it under these conditions and/or have already disbanded because of this.
There's no "I" in team, an owner is just a position one holds with certain abilities and powers to help keep the "team" together. If the owner doesn't log in for 6 months, how are they still a part of the team much less a central part of the team (owner)?
Edit/Note: I'll stop replying for a bit and let others get their word in
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28-Mar-2016 04:00:02 - Last edited on 28-Mar-2016 04:02:56 by Body btw
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I still don't understand though how clans suffer and wouldn't be able to have proper leadership without a single person (the owner), or needing to be in that specific position simply to be able to lead.
For some clans, if people know the clan owner hasn't logged on for 6 months, chances are they would prefer to join a clan with a leader that's present enough to deal with any necessary administrative changes--
Even if deputy owners acted on their own to make necessary changes, it might also feel weird to be in a clan that makes major modifications without their owner present, or without at least a leader who's hearing what's going on and condoning such changes.
By the way (I'm a newbie to the CLF, so don't go hard on me
), where can I read more about "interfering in internal clan issues"? At face value, it seems that Jagex intervention is necessitated when the demise of a clan that people still care about it foreseeable, due to the actions and consequences of a few people that can't be dealt with/won't listen to the rest of the clan.
I would consider a clan owner who hasn't logged in for more than 6 months to be an unwilling cooperant, whose actions foreshadow the death/dying of a clan. Again, to clear up the differences in our implicit assumptions, not having a visible clan owner for at least 6 months already sets a clan for demise, since it's difficult to recruit when the clan owner him/herself isn't even present, and it's difficult to retain members in a clan with a "dead" figurehead.
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I still don't understand though how clans suffer and wouldn't be able to have proper leadership without a single person (the owner), or needing to be in that specific position simply to be able to lead.
Progs
, you have this view probably because of your experience with your own clan and any other clans you might have bore witness to--but how does your clan maintain moral?
For some clans, if people know the clan owner hasn't logged on for 6 months, chances are they would prefer to join a clan with a leader that's present enough to deal with any necessary administrative changes--
Even if deputy owners acted on their own to make necessary changes, it might also feel weird to be in a clan that makes major modifications without their owner present, or without at least a leader who's hearing what's going on and condoning such changes.
By the way (I'm a newbie to the CLF, so don't go hard on me
), where can I read more about "interfering in internal clan issues"? At face value, it seems that Jagex intervention is necessitated when the demise of a clan that people still care about it foreseeable, due to the actions and consequences of a few people that can't be dealt with/won't listen to the rest of the clan.
I would consider a clan owner who hasn't logged in for more than 6 months to be an unwilling cooperant, whose actions foreshadow the death/dying of a clan. Again, to clear up the differences in our implicit assumptions, not having a visible clan owner for at least 6 months already sets a clan for demise, since it's difficult to recruit when the clan owner him/herself isn't even present, and it's difficult to retain members in a clan with a "dead" figurehead.
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28-Mar-2016 20:36:22
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, agreed that leaders who aren't active for more than 6 months are not just "bad" leaders who don't deserve their positions, but ineffective ones as well. In terms of "bad" leaders, defining and letting Jagex deal with such things would be a bad political move, as it *might* devolve into disrespect for different leadership styles. (But given how little time jmods are able to spend on the CLF anyway, I highly doubt Jagex would like to be more involved in clan politics
)
However, after 6 months of not logging in--the health of the clan is at stake (which I elaborate on in my previous post), to the point that any "ownership rights" the clan leader previous had are moot and undeserved. As for the special cases that
Progs
mentioned, I don't really see them as excuses for not logging in at least once in 6 months. Again, putting the health of the clan over ownership rights, at the 6 month mark.
Worst case scenario, the owner logs in after 8 months (because it takes about 2 months for requests to come to effect, lol), and the "bad" owners would be the ones who would get /and remain/ butthurt about a leadership change they weren't consulted about. That's the worst case scenario, and it's a marginal "loss," because of how an effective dismal of the clan owner role can justifiably result in an official dismal as well.
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28-Mar-2016 20:43:25 - Last edited on 28-Mar-2016 20:46:16 by Vera
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