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Im Nemo said :
I agree with the 6 months or just something to replace this in general.

Story time!
My clan leader became generally inactive a few years back due to school and other real life things going on. All of the key ranks understood that real life > Runescape. The real issue was that she refused 100% over the years (til this day) to let one of us run the clan while she was away, not even the oldest dept. owners who she had known and trusted for years. We felt that an owner would, at least, look good to the clan members from a moral standpoint so they'd feel the top leadership was active and make it look like clan was alive and well. It also affects us with activating new clan updates like notification settings, the ability to talk across the citadel, or recalling the avatar; we can't use new things because we cannot activate them.
Even at the end of 2015, she said she would be active again in the new year but I haven't personally seen her since the week before invention came out (though a clan friend said she was on a few weeks ago without saying anything in cc)

We were unable to remove her with this process because she would randomly login to either afk in lobby until she was kicked to login or to go in game to flex her pmod status.

Before anyone says something like "oh, you could've just made a new clan", we've thought about it and have had our reasons not to as of yet.
Thanks for posting your story and those are exactly the reasons that having a Gold Key in a clan can make a big difference. Things like settings you can't change without an owner and banning more than two players (some clans have trolls that GUEST or join as a group, anything can happen).

Beyond physical settings, there's just the politics of it. That is, having a clan with an inactive leader simply looks bad. I really don't feel that asking someone to log in just ONCE in a 6 month period is unreasonable. :(
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29-Mar-2016 02:54:55

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It's also why weve asked that new clan updates be set to dep leaders too, incase leader cant be or isnt there for the updates.

Latest example of this was avatar recalls.
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Im Nemo - firstly I didn't realise you had made it into here (for so long only your clan leader had access) - nice to see you here.

I almost replied on this thread a few days ago with your Clan in mind, but decided I should keep my nose out. Should have listened to my gut .

There should be a lot more discretion than the flat 12 month rule! 12 months (far too long), 6 or any other time frame works if the Clan leader then returns and actively plays. But when they return for a few days just to keep their Clan it is not morally right. The pattern of play / activity should also be taken into consideration (coming into game to just flex pmod status when not usually active just sums up everything I think of some pmod appointments, that appointment soured my whole outlook on the powers that be in this game)

Maybe Maz could help here by over ridding the settings for you - giving the deputies access to clan announcement changes, avatar recall etc - all the new stuff that needs a Clan leader to authorise access. It is definitely worth at least asking - just so you can operate as a Clan better.

Good luck - and I admire the way you and your fellow deputies have carried the Clan.

31-Mar-2016 21:41:48

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I agree that 12 months is too long, I used to have a post on my clans thread stating that Jagex could remove me from leadership of the clan if I haven't logged on for over 3 weeks without notice on the clans thread. But when I asked about whether they would accept that (on a thread similar to this) the response stated it wouldn't be accepted, with only the official guidelines would be accepted.

Personally I think even 6 months is too long for a clan to be without a leader (especially without notice), but all clans are different and it would be best to get the leader to choose a set of conditions (perhaps on clan settings) on how long until he is automatically (or manually) replaced.

Either way, as a starting point moving to 6 months would be a nice change for clans which lose their member, whether due to neglect or the leader being unable to log on. I know if I wasn't able to log on, I would like my clan to be-able to run without me.
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02-Apr-2016 21:22:24

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Even a month of leadership inactivity can have a disastrous effects to the Clan's overall health. I support reducing the time needed to replace inactive leaders. It is better to fail in originality than to succeed in imitation. ~Herman Melville

03-Apr-2016 01:29:37

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We will not be reducing the length of time for hand moderated removal of Inactive Clan Leaders for a number of reasons:

1) The Clan is founded by a Clan Owner and there is a sense of ownership imparted in that founding.
2) 12 months was chosen as it was a manageable period from a system check point of view, easily ascertained and recognized by all parties.
3) The length of time chosen also manages the number of requests we have to hand moderate - the process is lengthy, time consuming and involves direct editing of the Clan DB, not something we do lightly or easily.
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04-Apr-2016 11:06:04

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Personally i think 12 months is enough as a great clan can still success without the owner in place. I have seen several clans where the clan owner was inactive or a "clan account" and the dep owners led it. Though alot of it reflects the structure of a clan..one i am in is more democratic therfor the dep owners have quite a bit of influence..as well do the other clans i know of. :) LODJ RS3 Division
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04-Apr-2016 14:36:13

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I really think the view of "ownership" of a Clan needs to be looked at. A small handful of people for reasons of their own (power hungry, delusions of grandeur, moved on in life to other things or at times pure spite) are holding to ransom hundreds of players worked to form groups and to get their Clan any benefits it has. Their only claim to this ownership is that they in some cases started this group, in other cases were given the leadership. This is 2016 - we do not own people. I no more own my Clan than in real life I own those that work for me!

I understand those trapped - the thought of restarting Citadel, avatars, and anything else you have built up is a daunting prospect. The longer you leave it the harder it becomes to face doing so.

Thinking outside the box for a moment Matt would you consider releasing those trapped by Clan Owners who pop into lobby or game for flash periods to retain their Clan
- allow in special circumstance a new Clan to be formed that carries with it the Citadel / avatars etc of the old Clan (after all it is the Clan members who worked so hard to achieve this - not the Clan Owner.
- this would not be a way for a break away group gaining a quick start. Only through application, a proven pattern of neglect from the Clan Owner and any other criteria you wish to make.
- This would allow the Clan 'Owner' to have their Clan and the real healthy playing Clan to move on.

04-Apr-2016 20:15:05

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Just wondering if it is possible if a clan leader is absent or negligent for a length of time, if the permissions can be altered to allow deputy leaders or a lower rank if there are no deputies in the clan, to change the permissions? For example, a lot of the updates to clans are set for the owner to toggle them on or off or to set the permissions to allow other ranks to toggle them. Or maybe have the default setting for the updates to be toggled bydeputy owners rather than just the owner.

I think a lot of the problems to do with an inactive owner stems from the fact that no one in the clan is able to do anything with the permissions.
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05-Apr-2016 03:47:45

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Your argument of they might be busy with school or an injury isn't a good one tbh.
If your leader was injured and he was removed, a good clan would just reinstate him when he's back; and if they dont- i wouldn't want to be affiliated with them. If they're just busy with school or whatever, again, they could have the common courtesy to let someone know.
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