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Corder said :
@Matchgirl42

The above matters that you referenced are against the forum code of conduct, hence in my view they don't justify a block option, as the option to report someone is already there. If someone makes racial, troll, flaming posts etc. then they do not belong here, and thus can be reported in Forum Help.

If anyone disagrees with a moderator's handling of a report, please see: Forum Moderation Review V3 . They will address the issue there, and help the victim understand why X moderator handled it that way.

If someone posts constructive feedback, whether that may be negative or positive for the thread's existence, then that will most likely not be censored. This even applies if it's the same person who does it across all of my threads. Then again, if someone is clearly being a troll and tries to derail the conversation, I'd ignore them or use the Forum Help if it gets out of hand. ^_^

They have and clearly can circumvent the forum "rules", via their wording. Also it eats up time of Moderators and JAGeX to enforce crap they view "below them" and their talents, and yet it still needs addressed. The best thing to do is empower people by providing a method that resolves the need to utilize themselves. And this isn't that complicated, but obviously some people just don't see the need, as it seems they've simply not needed it themselves and/or are the cause of the problem.
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19-May-2022 22:48:27 - Last edited on 19-May-2022 22:49:12 by Zyphix

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Dilbert2001 said :
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Alright, this is an example here - ALL OF THIS and what lead up to it, has NOTHING directly on topic, but is valid and somewhat relevant.

First, NOBODY has, nor needs to give out "info" to be insulted. It's not that difficult to just throw out negativity at anybody else using generalized statements. Which many of you have done.
Secondly, thanks for moderation. Derailing the derailment got things back on topic.
Third, I'm catching up. I haven't been here in days.
So fourth, I should be able to further clear up how the method works, although I'm pretty certain it was fundamental, easy to implement and quite clear:

NOTHING is initially hidden.
The Thread OWNER should be able to simply block any user, per thread.
Ideally. But an alternate based on what's been read and said:

SPAM post has been spotted on YOUR own thread.
You can "FLAG" the user whom posted it.
It is automatically hidden from YOUR view.
Other players may ALSO "FLAG" the message.
This then hides it from THEIR view.
The more "FLAGS" a post has, the more it is elevated and reported to JAGeX for what may be considered "Troll Moderation".
The post remains, but if it is considered "non-contributing", it is hidden, and the user MAY get a warning, if JAGeX wanted to add further repremandation.

Over time, they can access data to see who's trending as "forum trolls" and weed out known issues/players.

Just a brief overview. It can be simplified, or more complicated depending on DEMAND/NEED for it. AND IT IS NEEDED.

Regardless how many people SOME players sarcastically assume would still be actively conversing with whom else. LOL. I know there's what, 2-3 players TOPS I want to block, and the rest of the entire community is fine.
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19-May-2022 23:01:21 - Last edited on 19-May-2022 23:46:57 by Zyphix

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Dilbert2001 said :
Mod Lyon said :


It isn't something I would advocate for if we had unlimited time. I would expect forum users to be mature, take advantage of the (improved, at this point) moderation tools available to them (report to a JMod etc.) and move on with their days.


100% agree. Jagex's forums are intended for mature users who respect moderation.

If you want to limit access to whoever you like, create your own private domains and forums elsewhere. :)

What JAGeX "expects" and the REALITY are obviously different things.
This is true of any and ALL online and real-life communities.
And honestly, doesn't sound like their usual "woke" stance of realizing that not all players have the same mental capacities as people of ALL ages, races, handicaps, etc. subscribe to their service.
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19-May-2022 23:06:41

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Draco Burnz said :
Zyphix said :


You do know theres more than 1 way to "ignore" someone right?

Ignore can mean something as simple as not reading a post.

So you can already ignore ppl as is.

Please, do tell everyone and myself, how one can pre-emptively know what your posts contains, and I can decide to "skip it" and "not read it" before I know it's stupid?
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19-May-2022 23:14:01

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Matchgirl42 said :
...We don't go looking for stuff to get irritated about, these trolls are coming into OUR THREADS and pulling this crap. And we should, as the creators of those threads, have the ability to block them from interacting with OUR THREADS.

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19-May-2022 23:17:58

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Corder said :

It's what Forum Moderators are for. ^_^

Haha! You're new here. You're quite funny.

Forum Mods enforce the "rules". What their perception is, is the level they feel like dealing with something or can. They're stuck in a middle zone between the player base and JAGeX. They are strictly to deal with J-Rules. They don't enforce real-life laws, etc. They SHOULD have more counter measures for their community, but hey, it's that responsibility thing - some people just like to pretend it's one-sided sometimes (ie: expecting the community to be mature) because that makes their lives easier. It's on all sides, honestly to do what they can. But they like historically to dole out the "hey people, we care about this" speech now and then. But actions are just as important as what you claim to represent. Meaning, while they'll do things to "backup" THEIR rules, they don't WANT to spend their time judging your personal situations. So while there's plenty of adequate bullying occurring, or flagrant spamming of your topics, it's just of no interest to them because "they did what they can/wanted to do" about it, based solely from the perspective of their role. Not in your shoes, necessarily. There's occasional occurrences where somebody (emphatics) will care, but not usually. It's mostly a time management thing (which this proposal helps contribute to making better), where they decide to just click a button, and take the fastest route off to the "next issue". At the end of the day, they'll cover your asses - and their own - only as much as they want to, no more, no less as per their terms of use/rules/etc.
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19-May-2022 23:21:28 - Last edited on 19-May-2022 23:50:02 by Zyphix

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UrekMazino said :
Deltaslug said :
While I support the idea, functionally it's not too useful due to the ease someone can just create an alt and continue.

That's like saying ignore function is useless in game because alts can bet created to keep bothering you. This is weak reasoning.

The better argument to make would be because a forum is a public discussion space where anyone can voice their opinions. Having a block or ignore function would just create an echo chamber, which is the exact opposite of what a forum should be.

You're right - let's do absolutely NOTHING about a problem that multitudes of players have noticed and permeate the mindset that jerks get away with everything, so let's just ignore it and let them have their way. End sarcasm (?).
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19-May-2022 23:29:37

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Ownage Omg said :
They don't "side with trolls" if your posts got hidden then clearly you did something wrong. Sounds to me like you're just upset that you couldn't get your own way.

It's THEIR post. I doubt they were posting on their own thread, just to get "their way"? WTF guy. More nonsense. No matter what, if it's YOUR post, why should you NOT get your say? You're the creator of the whole notion which is being presented. Their "way" has nothing to do with keeping rubbish off your own thread? Again, the only people opposed to this idea are those with the INTENTION of pissing other people off. They just seem to dislike the notion they won't be able to bother others as much as they're accustom to.

Ownage Omg said :
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These posts and others prior are mere gas-lighting.
Moderation IS key, however, the regulation of "moderation" or what it constitutes is lax.
In simpler terms, it's good for what it's good for, but doesn't address the entire need this thread was born of to address. Obviously.
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19-May-2022 23:35:02 - Last edited on 19-May-2022 23:50:58 by Zyphix

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Holy smokes, someones post happy right now.

OT:

Zyphix said :

Please, do tell everyone and myself, how one can pre-emptively know what your posts contains, and I can decide to "skip it" and "not read it" before I know it's stupid?


Uhh, if you've had a bad rep with someone, one would think youd just ignore anything they post in the future.

I mean if said person constantly posts in a certain manner, why read anything they say?

Sounds pretty obvious to me
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