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Matchgirl42
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Ownage Omg said :

Matchgirl42 said :
Yeah, except I already tried that, and the forum mods and J-mod sided with the trolls.
They don't "side with trolls" if your posts got hidden then clearly you did something wrong. Sounds to me like you're just upset that you couldn't get your own way.


Except they do, I'm not the only one to note it, again an entire thread was created to provide a browser-side tool (that doesn't actually prevent the destruction of threads) for forum users to help partially address the mass troll infestation in the forums because Jagex refuses to do anything about it and sides with the trolls.

And it's not "couldn't get my own way," it's "trolls wouldn't leave me/my threads alone even after I asked them to, ate up 80%-90% of my threads with endless repetitions of thoroughly debunked information/opinion screeds/insults, made my threads unusable and off-putting to other users, and interfered with actual healthy discussion."

Heh. As others have also noted, take a gander through the Runescape subreddit (search: "runescape forums" ) for how Runescape players view the official forums and the moderation. Hint: it's not pretty, and there are lots of others who have noted the troll problem and mods siding with the trolls.
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22-Nov-2020 19:06:00 - Last edited on 22-Nov-2020 19:19:51 by Matchgirl42

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Matchgirl42 said :
there are lots of others who have noted the troll problem and mods siding with the trolls.
The issue of forum moderation is entirely separate issue to this thread. To me it seems like your points would be more constructive in a discussion regarding moderation as that appears to be the issue here - as opposed to wanting to block people. I've been super vocal about this over the years but I can genuinely say Mod Kari is the fairest J mod we've had for forum moderation reviews. If you decide to create a thread on this I will happily discuss this with you. :)

On the topic of the block button, the unfortunate reality is that the forums have been dead for many years and will not see a revival any time soon given how popular Reddit is in comparison. We can't even get basic functionality that most game forums offer so I think asking for a block button that works in the way you've described is well out of the question here. The whole site in general is just lacklustre and I seriously think the resolution here is to just change the way the forums are moderated instead of just blocking people who may one day decide to post something genuinely useful, have a change of heart etc etc.

I'll hold up my hands and say I have argued and had severe disagreements with some people but then proceeded to post constructively on threads from those people that do interest me. We then had a healthy discussion on those topics and usually just forgot about any disputes we may have had prior. Had that user blocked me, I would have been written off for good and probably left since nobody is interacting with me.
TLDR is, writing people off isn't a good thing on the forums with how inactive they are as of the present day.
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22-Nov-2020 20:49:38

Matchgirl42
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Ownage Omg said :
The issue of forum moderation is entirely separate issue to this thread.


But they're not. We wouldn't even need a block function if the moderation was actually working correctly and the mods weren't siding with the trolls. They're inextricably linked. And it's been 10+ years, they're not gonna change the moderation so it's time for a block function.

Ownage Omg said :
On the topic of the block button, the unfortunate reality is that the forums have been dead for many years and will not see a revival any time soon given how popular Reddit is in comparison. We can't even get basic functionality that most game forums offer


One of the reasons that RS players have migrated to Reddit is that the power to combat trolling is actually in the user 's hands there, via the downvote button and a user block (that is similar to the browser-side tool made for RS, just hides their activity from the person who blocked them, but doesn't keep them from eating up threads) plus MUCH better moderation. And honestly, some form of user blocking SHOULD be a basic functionality of any message board.

There are more issues than trolling keeping users away from the forums, but it's still a major issue and even if Jagex addressed all of the other issues, users would still stay away unless the trolling issue gets fixed - say, with a block function.

I get what you're saying with how people can change but it shouldn't be on the targets of trolling/harassment to have to put up with it until the person doing the trolling/harassing magically has a change of heart and stops the behavior. Any message board that expects that is just going to drive users away, which has already happened to the forums. Plus some of the trolls have been doing it for 6+ years, they're not gonna stop.

And again, even if everyone blocks a user, they can still post their own threads and interact with mod posts.
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23-Nov-2020 12:24:46

Matchgirl42
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Or to put it another way: the whole thing about "a user block function will kill the forums?"

The forums have already been killed, because the trolls and the mods siding with the trolls (among other issues) has chased a large portion of the user base away.

So aside from a few tenacious non-troll users (such as myself), the trolls are now alone on the forums anyways.
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23-Nov-2020 12:44:46

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Matchgirl42 said :
So aside from a few tenacious non-troll users (such as myself), the trolls are now alone on the forums anyways.
This is a bit of an unfair generalisation. It's clear you personally have faced these issues but I wouldn't go as far as this. Do remember your view of a troll is also subjective whereas the rules objectively define what this is.
Yeah there are definitely people on here who return on alt after alt to continue with their antics but most of the regular users are here to contribute rather than drive people away.

This is why I'll go back to what I said about maybe focusing on moderation to stop people from being allowed to return after perm bans instead of asking for a feature which we will never see due to the lack of interest in the development of the site. We can't even get avatars to work properly so this is instantly a losing battle.
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23-Nov-2020 14:53:46 - Last edited on 23-Nov-2020 14:58:52 by Ownage Omg

Draco Burnz
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Matchgirl42 said :


The forums have already been killed, because the trolls and the mods siding with the trolls (among other issues) has chased a large portion of the user base away.


How have they been "killed"?

I see lots of activity every day so they seem pretty active and alive to me.

Thus i fail to see how anyone have "killed" anything?
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24-Nov-2020 00:34:19 - Last edited on 24-Nov-2020 00:34:52 by Draco Burnz

Matchgirl42
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Ownage Omg said :
This is a bit of an unfair generalisation. It's clear you personally have faced these issues but I wouldn't go as far as this. Do remember your view of a troll is also subjective whereas the rules objectively define what this is.
Yeah there are definitely people on here who return on alt after alt to continue with their antics but most of the regular users are here to contribute rather than drive people away.

This is why I'll go back to what I said about maybe focusing on moderation to stop people from being allowed to return after perm bans instead of asking for a feature which we will never see due to the lack of interest in the development of the site. We can't even get avatars to work properly so this is instantly a losing battle.


Citing lack of activity on the forums as a reason to not institute a block feature to combat trolling, when trolling and moderation that sides with/supports the trolls is a huge part of what's driven users away from the forums, is self-defeating.

People have been offering constructive criticism to Jagex re: forum moderation and have been asking for better moderation for years now, it's pretty clear Jagex isn't interested in changing it, so it's not like we're gonna get that, and trying to get people to focus on continuing to ask for it is, at best, directing people to tilt at windmills.

I'd rather focus my energies on trying to get a feature that will allow me to curate my forum experience better on my own, without having to depend on a moderator who may decide that my objections to trolling is a worse offense than the trolling itself.
My motto is to be nice if I can, but also to not suffer trolls.

24-Nov-2020 14:36:34 - Last edited on 24-Nov-2020 14:40:06 by Matchgirl42

Draco Burnz
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UrekMazino said :
>Lots of activity

That's hilarious my dude


Yep, you're posting and so is other ppl taking part in this discussion so how isnt that considered "forum activity"?

Something cant be "dead" as long as 1 person still uses it.
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24-Nov-2020 20:24:57 - Last edited on 24-Nov-2020 20:25:45 by Draco Burnz

Zyphix
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Ghazgkull said :
if you can't handle what others say you could try reddit, scrolling past a person's post or quitting the internet if the first two suggestions don't work. :)

Lame kids will be lame. I realize this. Posts such as this, for example - doesn't even need the name attached, are absolutely non-contributing. They just spew spiel and nothing more. But the forums are supposed to be for criticism and that's totally fine, but most of these types come to post without even a counter-point. They're not even interested in the topic, just seeking any attention, even if it's negative to match their own.

Thus, why a block feature would be great. They just spam up all your posts with their ilk, and nobody ELSE wants to read that crap on YOUR threads either.

Also, F**K Reddit and all those dumbassery 3rd party websites. I'm not EVER going to browse some other social media for a game that has its own website. THIS is where ALL the source for everything OUGHT to be. Breaking up game focused conversation all across the internet is a very dumb way to decide updates and feedback for one's own game. If too much attention is paid on one site and not another, then there's favoritism and "stacking opinion", or "imbalanced bias". It's dumb and always had been. But, using something like YouTube to advertise your game, that's another thing altogether and not really discussion.
- This last paragraph is just an opinion and a bit off topic, but just the same I wanted to vent it. Perhaps this should be in rants, if it's not already.
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