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Scret
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Vera said :
Sookie Lala said :
Good idea, can we have an option to mute high level member accounts too please.

Oh, and pmods. This conveys it pretty well.

I'm also not sure how f2p accounts guesting in a high level p2p PvM clan is an issue. As of now, I don't really see how that relates to wanting the ability to ban f2p accounts from guesting.

Trying to use that as an argument also belittles the actual issue this thread is trying to address: how trolls can circumvent ban lists by creating f2p accounts, and continue to troll from those.

Just because you struggle to understand why this would be useful to certain clans isnt a good enough argument against it im afraid.
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16-Apr-2016 08:46:17

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Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't the suggestion for a "toggle able option"?

Clans hat have nothing to do with F2P, and cannot offer anything to F2P players, can then "opt" to toggle the option on, so that F2P players cant join their cc, whilst other, more open clans, can toggle the option off.

Regardless of how a clan decides what requirements it has, or what kinds of players they want to attract, having a toggleable option preventing F2P players to join guest clan chats would be a godsend in troll prevention.
My clan welcomes F2P players to come and chat, but in the event of trolling, having the ability to prevent F2P players from joining the channel would be a much easier fix than banning 200+ accounts. Once the issue is resolved, F2P access can be toggled back on.

in short, all it does is give you another option you can turn on and off at will.
if your clan is one that allows F2P players to join, or even welcomes them to come and chat, an update like this wouldnt affect you in the slightest.
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16-Apr-2016 09:12:20

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I don't know why it's hard to understand that clans are free to deny entry to their own chat to whoever they want, whether you agree with it or not.

A clan only wants a certain criteria of players to enter their chat. ' No ' and ' What harm/issues are they causing you ' do not stand when there's actually no harm or issues and it's not about that at all - they are just free to decide who can join and stay in their own chat. It's not public property.

You're free to decide who can join your clan and the criteria for it, and it's not any different for the chat. It's not about or against F2P, it's simply having the freedom to decide the criteria. I don't think you'd appreciate anyone telling you 'but what harm would they cause you?' if you don't allow a 1700 total player to join a 2000+ clan because it's an irrelevant point and again, it's exactly the same for chat. Just as you're free to decide who you want to open the door for in your house and no one can tell you who you should have in your own house based on the 'they're not hurting you in any way' argument. People can call you whatever they want for denying a group type but you have every right to. It's also similar to the 'Guest knocking - approve/deny' idea on here but only configuring join requirements when the answer to a certain group would always be 'deny'.

Keep in mind that CC's have a maximum guest capacity of 100, and maybe some very large/popular P2P only clans don't want F2P taking up the space? This applies to any other criteria like total levels etc.

A lot are overlooking a very important point in previous posts (a fact that is a discussion ender) that Jagex are actually implementing configurable join requirements for FC's which includes members/free , for owners to use if required as some FC's specialise in P2P only stuff and there's no use for F2P to be in them - and that means it's a certainty for clans as well.
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16-Apr-2016 12:05:56 - Last edited on 16-Apr-2016 12:22:29 by Electric

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In the end, IF there's an issue, it's about the principle and having these requirements and criteria against groups in the first place, and not whether an option exists to simply support it.

There are a lot of Ironman only clans that don't allow normal players to enter their chat (and kick on sight) and vice versa.

Are they discriminating against regular players (or vice versa)? Absolutely not. It's their own clan and they have every right to. If an option/toggle existed to deny them entry it wouldn't harm anyone as the rules already exist and are being enforced, and would only make their lives easier.

A lot are being blinded by extremely subjective and sympathetic points of view and are not looking at things objectively and what only is within clans' own rights.
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16-Apr-2016 12:36:44 - Last edited on 16-Apr-2016 12:42:38 by Electric

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Last post I'm going to make on this thread, because I'm sick of the superiority complex and elitism that several people are displaying.

Here's my clan leader's opinion on the matter:
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If trolls are such a big issue in your clan, then just use the existing toggle to mute all guests or outright disable guesting. No need to start a holy war in CLF about "your clan's rights" on a game you don't own. @Lisaa_RS - Followed by @Runescape
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16-Apr-2016 15:02:49

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Performs said :
actually they go hand in hand for example instead of trolling my clan people can use f2p alts to see what worlds members in my clan are using in an attempt to crash them (was a bigger deal pre instance) but still holds some weight as it is f2p are kick on sight so it would just remove one thing I have to do if I see a new name in the cc Football, that makes sense. That would be a reason why you'd want a toggable option to deny f2p guests from your clan channel.

Though, to whoever was trying to argue that their clan was p2p, and as such f2p guests can't contribute--I still don't see how that's an issue in and of itself. If those f2p guests happen to be trolling, then the issue is that there are f2p guests trolling the chat, not that there are f2p guests in a p2p only clan.

They're similar, but the latter (f2p guests) I don't view as a basis to bar f2p guests, the former (f2p guests who are trolling) I do.

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You are also attacking my ego, and please readjust your tone, because you are unaware of how you are coming off. The same applies to the others who are so insistent on making things so personal.

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, agreed; I think an *option* to not allow f2p guests is fine, but I would *much* rather see clan owners and leaders better address the problem (speaking to the troll in pm and treating them with respect, to understand where they're coming from and to really, hear them out), instead of building a wall.
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16-Apr-2016 17:23:10

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Crys V said :
Clans hat have nothing to do with F2P, and cannot offer anything to F2P players, can then "opt" to toggle the option on, so that F2P players cant join their cc, whilst other, more open clans, can toggle the option off.

Regardless of how a clan decides what requirements it has, or what kinds of players they want to attract, having a toggleable option preventing F2P players to join guest clan chats would be a godsend in troll prevention.
My clan welcomes F2P players to come and chat, but in the event of trolling, having the ability to prevent F2P players from joining the channel would be a much easier fix than banning 200+ accounts. Once the issue is resolved, F2P access can be toggled back on.
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brings up excellent arguments for implementing this option. I now see how it would be *worthwhile* and *meaningful* to have such an option.

Electric said :
Keep in mind that CC's have a maximum guest capacity of 100, and maybe some very large/popular P2P only clans don't want F2P taking up the space? This applies to any other criteria like total levels etc.

A lot are overlooking a very important point in previous posts (a fact that is a discussion ender) that Jagex are actually implementing configurable join requirements for FC's which includes members/free, for owners to use if required as some FC's specialise in P2P only stuff and there's no use for F2P to be in them - and that means it's a certainty for clans as well. Also a valid point, guest space, and after hearing these uses for being able to bar f2p guests, I'm glad Jagex is thinking of such an implementation.
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16-Apr-2016 17:29:07

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Electric said :
I don't know why it's hard to understand that clans are free to deny entry to their own chat to whoever they want, whether you agree with it or not. "It's" hard to understand because you are thinking of things that others haven't, others are thinking of things that you haven't, and because we have different implicit assumptions.
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, I feel it's a bit heavy handed to imply that everyone else is dumb, and that we should all easily see and understand where you are coming from, as in we should have no difficulties doing so :P
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16-Apr-2016 17:30:52

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Lisaa said :
Last post I'm going to make on this thread, because I'm sick of the superiority complex and elitism that several people are displaying.

Here's my clan leader's opinion on the matter:
Original message details are unavailable.
If trolls are such a big issue in your clan, then just use the existing toggle to mute all guests or outright disable guesting. No need to start a holy war in CLF about "your clan's rights" on a game you don't own.

Already explained why turning off guest isnt all that viable, re-read and come back to us.

Its only the none supporters who are making it out to be something its not lol
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16-Apr-2016 19:24:59 - Last edited on 16-Apr-2016 19:25:38 by Scret

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Vera said :
Performs said :
actually they go hand in hand for example instead of trolling my clan people can use f2p alts to see what worlds members in my clan are using in an attempt to crash them (was a bigger deal pre instance) but still holds some weight as it is f2p are kick on sight so it would just remove one thing I have to do if I see a new name in the cc Football, that makes sense. That would be a reason why you'd want a toggable option to deny f2p guests from your clan channel.

Scret
, I do not take kindly to personal accusations. This is an intellectual discussion where we are sharing our stories and ideas, not a battle of who's right or who's wrong. I am ceding my intellect so as not to feel like others are attacked, so as to give them an opportunity to explain any reasoning that doesn't make sense.

You are also attacking my ego, and please readjust your tone, because you are unaware of how you are coming off. The same applies to the others who are so insistent on making things so personal.

Progs
, agreed; I think an *option* to not allow f2p guests is fine, but I would *much* rather see clan owners and leaders better address the problem (speaking to the troll in pm and treating them with respect, to understand where they're coming from and to really, hear them out), instead of building a wall.

No i dont wanna waste my time talking to idiot trolls trying to get them to stop, i wanna mute f2p accounts because im not here to offer a rehabilitation service to deprived lunatics and shift through f2p troll accounts on the ignore list.
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16-Apr-2016 19:46:58

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