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Electric
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This has been demanded for FC's, since a lot of FC's are members only (like T80/T90 pc) and have rules (i.e. kicking on sight) against people being in the FC on F2P worlds because obviously there's really no need for them to be in the FC. More options were suggested as well like preventing entry to the FC from lobby, since it blocks spammers and removes people who are inactive in the lobby and taking up an FC space.

If an option like that exists to make their lives easier, why not. A lot of clans have varying joining requirements and are free to be able to set the requirements for joining their chats accordingly.

Regarding the option for configuring entry requirements, it's planned and will come to FC's at some point in the future. Read the Dev blog: Chat System . To quote:

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Configurable join requirements: Combat level, total level, members/free, add more suggestions here!
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15-Apr-2016 16:51:30 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 16:59:28 by Electric

Naruto 1001

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This is the most ridiculous suggestion I've seen on these forums. I understand your problem, your way of thinking and how you could have come up with this "solution". It's just not right punish a group of many thousands of players for the damage done to you by a tiny fraction among those. Part of the
Free Players
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15-Apr-2016 17:43:52 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 17:45:41 by Naruto 1001

Scret
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Naruto 1001 said :
This is the most ridiculous suggestion I've seen on these forums. I understand your problem, your way of thinking and how you could have come up with this "solution". It's just not right punish a group of many thousands of players for the damage done to you by a tiny fraction among those.

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Its a perfectly good suggestion, is a perfectly good idea and its perfectly fine to NOT use it if your clan doesnt want it. No one is being punished if a clan doesnt want to have f2pers in its chat then how is that punishing a specific player? Christ....

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15-Apr-2016 18:15:50 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 18:18:20 by Scret

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Lisaa said :
Scret said :
Its not discrimination and you DONT have to use it in YOUR clans. It is discrimination if the option to do it exists and clans actually use it, which several people here have said they would. I might be about to blow this out of proportions, but I'm going to use a really extreme example to prove a point.

If a sign outside a business says "Whites Only," then that's obviously discriminatory. By the standard you're using , you could argue that the "Whites Only" sign isn't discriminatory because you don't have to use that business and don't have to have the same sign on your store.

It's wrong, it's segregating people, and it's totally unnecessary. Don't block out a segment of the population because of your prejudice against them, just block out the actual troublemakers.

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15-Apr-2016 18:22:11

Lisaa
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Sicariu said :
Again, I'm going to bring up my example of race to help people see the issue. Your questions for those against the idea have been rephrased:

Do you really think its discriminatory for a business to restrict blacks from entering?
Is it discriminatory to restrict blacks players from joining a whites-only club too?
There are whites-only clubs who use that standard of "white is right" for members and Guests
There are whites-only clubs that kick members who associate with blacks. Is that not ok?
Most businesses who don't allow blacks already treat them as KOS. Is this an issue?
What do blacks miss out on by not being allowed to Guest/Speak in white-only clubs?



Yes, I know I am taking this way out of proportion
, but hopefully people can see the point I am trying to make. By creating an option to prevent free players from guesting in a chat, you are segregating a percentage of the population.

I would also like to point out that if you're an exclusive P2P-only clan, then how is it that a free player would discover you? The answer is simple - because of their P2P main account.
F2P isn't the issue, trolls are the issue.
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15-Apr-2016 18:23:40 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 19:14:49 by Lisaa

Scret
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Lisaa said :
Sicariu said :
Again, I'm going to bring up my example of race to help people see the issue. Your questions for those against the idea have been rephrased:

Do you really think its discriminatory for a business to restrict blacks from entering?
Is it discriminatory to restrict blacks players from joining a whites-only club too?
There are whites-only clubs who use that standard of "white is right" for members and Guests
There are whites-only clubs that kick members who associate with blacks. Is that not ok?
Most businesses who don't allow blacks already treat them as KOS. Is this an issue?
What do blacks miss out on by not being allowed to Guest/Speak in white-only clubs?



Yes, I know I am taking this way out of proportion, but hopefully people can see the point I am trying to make. By creating an option to prevent free players from guesting in a chat, you are segregating a percentage of the population.

I would also like to point out that if you're an exclusive P2P-only clan, then how is it that a free player would discover you? The answer is simple - because of their P2P main account.
F2P isn't the issue, trolls are the issue.


1. This is nothing like racism
2. this isnt a business
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15-Apr-2016 18:25:00 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 18:26:05 by Scret

Scret
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Lisaa said :
Scret said :
This is nothing like racism, get a grip please. Tell me how it's different, instead of just saying it is.

Cos its a feature in a game for clans, not a human rights act as part of a business.

You might as well be complaining that clans have total level req.
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15-Apr-2016 18:27:28 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 18:28:24 by Scret

Crys V
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The OP asked for a Guest F2P "mute" option in the cc, which I can agree would be a nice addition and anti-troll tool.

Bearing in mind its "optional" and only a mute, we can mute ranks, guests, I cant see a problem with being able to mute F2P players too.

The race argument about F2p players joining ccs, can easily be argued with, "what about closing your cc?" generally saying if you're not a part of our community, you cant join our chat. I can understand the points being made, but at the same time, if your clan is aimed at players with an active membership, F2P players would really have minimal reasons to join it in the first place, its like an electrician that needs tools, going to a florist, theres really not much point.

Obviously people have friends in clans, and if you go inactive for long enough and let your membership expire, you wouldnt be able to join your friends clan channels, but its really a simple fix to "toggle the option off".
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15-Apr-2016 18:39:21

Lisaa
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Scret said :
Cos its a feature in a game for clans, not a human rights act as part of a business. Before the 1964 Civil Rights Act, it could have been argued that being able to discriminate who can buy merchandise from your business was also a "feature" that the government allowed.

"I own my store so I can choose who can buy from it however I please."
"I own my clan so I can choose who can guest in it however I please."
It's fine if you want to set rules for people to follow, but when you get into such blatant issues of segregating people, it becomes an issue.

Yes, I do understand that clans on RS are nothing like businesses before 1964, but people's prejudice attitudes about free players strongly reminded me of it, so I thought it was worth bringing up.

Also, I'd like to point out one last argument. If your clan is so P2P-exclusive, then how is it that a free player would discover your clan and immediately start to troll it? The answer, which I'm sure most people here would agree with, is because they found the clan through their P2P main.
Don't segregate a percent of the RS population, just deal with the troublemakers.
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15-Apr-2016 18:40:20

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