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Wow, if this proposal is discrimination then does that mean any clans with requirements of any kind are discriminatory?

This would be an optional feature that clans could turn on or off as needed. This is far from discrimination though.

Clans have every right to restrict who has access to the community, and Jagex has pretty much stated that clan's will always be able to freely choose those qualifications. In fact, Jagex's position is essentially that clans can do anything they please (within the rules of the game), and that if members don't like certain aspects of the clan then they are free to leave and choose a new clan that better reflects their values.

Back on topic of the thread, support 100% for this idea.

Edit: I would actually take this idea one step further and propose an optional feature that would prevent f2p accounts from joining the clan channel in the first place (in addition to the proposed option of muting f2p guests). Just because they can't speak in the cc doesn't mean they can't cause trouble by pming people that are online at the time.
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15-Apr-2016 18:49:57 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 18:52:40 by Seer of War

Scret
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Lisaa said :
Scret said :
Cos its a feature in a game for clans, not a human rights act as part of a business.
Before the 1964 Civil Rights Act, it could have been argued that being able to discriminate who can buy merchandise from your business was also a "feature" that the government allowed.

"I own my store so I can choose who can buy from it however I please."
"I own my clan so I can choose who can guest in it however I please."
It's fine if you want to set rules for people to follow, but when you get into such blatant issues of segregating people, it becomes an issue.

Yes, I do understand that clans on RS are nothing like businesses before 1964, but people's prejudice attitudes about free players strongly reminded me of it, so I thought it was worth bringing up.

Also, I'd like to point out one last argument. If your clan is so P2P-exclusive, then how is it that a free player would discover your clan and immediately start to troll it? The answer, which I'm sure most people here would agree with, is because they found the clan through their P2P main.
Don't segregate a percent of the RS population, just deal with the troublemakers.


People make f2p accounts to troll with, easier to to have this feature then keep having to ban them, you do realise that yea? you do realise thats the WHOLE point of this suggestion or are you too far into your random racism argument to understand this? OF COURSE THEY FOUND IT WITH A P2P MAIN.

Its not about discrimination lol

Maybe you should stick with counting to 50.
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15-Apr-2016 18:50:45 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 18:51:43 by Scret

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Scret said :
People make f2p accounts to troll with, easier to to have this feature then keep having to ban them, you do realise that yea? you do realise thats the WHOLE point of this suggestion or are you too far into your random racism argument to understand this? OF COURSE THEY FOUND IT WITH A P2P MAIN.

Its not about discrimination lol

Maybe you should stick with counting to 50.
Then punish the offenders and not a large percent of the community. What's so hard about that?

Report them in-game. If it gets bad enough, use Flag A Concern and explain they're using alts. There are already tools in place for you to use.
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15-Apr-2016 18:54:58

Scret
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Lisaa said :
Scret said :
People make f2p accounts to troll with, easier to to have this feature then keep having to ban them, you do realise that yea? you do realise thats the WHOLE point of this suggestion or are you too far into your random racism argument to understand this? OF COURSE THEY FOUND IT WITH A P2P MAIN.

Its not about discrimination lol

Maybe you should stick with counting to 50.
Then punish the offenders and not a large percent of the community. What's so hard about that?

Report them in-game. If it gets bad enough, use Flag A Concern and explain they're using alts. There are already tools in place for you to use.


How is it punishing them? lol, How would setting my clan to mute f2pers punish them? will it send them electric shocks or take money from their banks or make them feel sad and afraid? or i dunno they maybe will just leave and look for another clan....

Thank you for explaining the report feature to me. after 15 years i finally understand how it works.
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15-Apr-2016 18:59:58 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 19:00:46 by Scret

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My point is, why limit people that aren't even involved in the situation?

Would it be fair to have an option to mute all P2P guests, for F2P-pure clans?
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15-Apr-2016 19:03:09

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Lisaa said :
My point is, why limit people that aren't even involved in the situation?

Would it be fair to have an option to mute all P2P guests, for F2P-pure clans?


Why limit it? because its gonna be usefull to our clans and thats quite frankly no one elses business if we wanna mute F2P wanna have it 2k+ total level, Skillers only or whatever. Its also not to discriminate but because its easier to deal with people who make F2P accounts people make to spam and troll. I mean anyone who actually runs a clan will know that its a good idea to utilise if they want to utilise it.

If they want one then sure whatever lol, i dont see any reason to not support a F2P clan the option to mute P2P if they want it, it wont hurt anything either. I aint gonna feel persicuted or discriminated against because a F2P clan wants to keep it solely F2P. whats fair and what isnt fair in this instance lies solely on the leaders and the clans.

Dont worry, we wont be going on a murdering spree of people who dont pay membership or burning their houses down.
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15-Apr-2016 19:13:32

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Lisaa said :
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You completely avoided my questions without answering them at all.

This is not discrimination. This is a video game, and we are clan leaders in a virtual world.

If we can't discuss the actual topic that was proposed in the OP without bringing up extreme comparisons to racism, then what is this argument going to solve? Its just going to be a never ending cycle of both sides lashing back and forth.

Jagex is already working on a similar system for Friend Chats, why can't clans have these as well?

I suggest reading through this Dev Blog: Dev blog: Chat System

Most notably: Mod Hunter said :
Configurable join requirements: Combat level, total level,
members/free


This was mentioned earlier in the thread; just restating because I feel this is important.
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15-Apr-2016 19:20:06

Lisaa
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Scret said :
Lisaa said :
My point is, why limit people that aren't even involved in the situation?

Would it be fair to have an option to mute all P2P guests, for F2P-pure clans?


Why limit it? because its gonna be useful to our clans and thats quite frankly no one elses business if we wanna mute F2P wanna have it 2k+ total level, Skillers only or whatever. Its also not to discriminate but because its easier to deal with people who make F2P accounts people make to spam and troll. I mean anyone who actually runs a clan will know that its a good idea to utilise if they want to utilise it.

If they want one then sure whatever lol, i dont see any reason to not support a F2P clan the option to mute P2P if they want it, it wont hurt anything either. I aint gonna feel persicuted or discriminated against because a F2P clan wants to keep it solely F2P. whats fair and what isnt fair in this instance lies solely on the leaders and the clans.

Dont worry, we wont be going on a murdering spree of people who dont pay membership or burning their houses down.
Even if it's useful, I still feel as though there's more ethical ways of dealing with the situation than running to an extreme such as this. People's account status (Excluding stats & in-game items) I feel shouldn't be a clan's decision to judge on, unless it's directly hindering the clan (Such as someone trolling the CC).

If free players had this option as well, but reversed to mute P2Pers, then I would be a little more inclined to support it, but I still feel like there's an ethical issue and that "two wrongs don't make a right."

Oh and, you're not going to burn their houses down, because free players can't build a POH ;) :P
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15-Apr-2016 19:22:17

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I dont think any f2p will care if they cant join specific clans, or they shouldnt, anyone who really cares that some clans mute F2P must have a very easy life. theres nothing unethical about it, im done with this, cant believe this was even a complaint, feel like ive been taking crazy pills.

Itll be very useful feature whether its a stand alone thing or part of a bigger update as mentioned above.
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15-Apr-2016 19:27:48

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Sicariu said :
Lisaa said :
Sicariu said :


You completely avoided my questions without answering them at all.
Sure, I'll answer them:

Do you really think its discriminatory for a P2P only clan to restrict F2P players from Guesting?

Yes. What harm are they causing if they're obeying chat rules?

Is it discriminatory to restrict F2P players from joining a P2P only clan too?

No, because there may be particular reasons why the clan is P2P only, such as being a high-level PvM clan. Why should a free player be barred from chatting & giving advice if they're knowledgable about the subject though?

There are P2P only clans who use that standard of "P2P only" for clan members and Guests

I'm nto sure what the question is here?

There are P2P only clans that kick members who lose their membership status. Is that not ok?

Clans like this typically do it for other reasons, such as inactivity. I'm personally against it, and would not join a clan that has this policy. I do not consider it to be okay, but I won't start a holy war about it.

Most clans who don't allow F2P Guests already treat them as KOS. Is this an issue?

Yes I think this is an issue. You should at least hear what they have to say. For all you know, they're asking who to speak with in your clan to inform you about clanmates breaking serious game rules such as botting.

What do F2P players miss out on by not being allowed to Guest/Speak in P2P only clans?

I think the best answer to this is another question, "What don't they miss out on by not being allowed to speak?" And again, they may have something important to say that you may wish to hear.

Continued....
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15-Apr-2016 19:29:25

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