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Fire Hawk154 said :
Scret said :
Read previous posts lol. Youre the one having a hissy fit over an optional mute feature. You're acting as if we want you all kicked out the game, get a grip

People make f2p accounts to spam chats, its easier to mute f2p in our clans to avoid this, case closed. you can put down your rune longsword.
There's something fundamentally wrong with this suggestion and I'm not going to sit by watching the freedom of an entire group of players being limited solely because of the things a couple of individuals do.

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Performs said :
so tell me how a f2p player is going to go to vorago with me or my clanmates or rots, or nex, or raids. its not the misbehaviour of a select few its that they cannot do high level pvm and thus have no point being in my cc
That is an entirely different topic. This topic was about muting all F2P guests because of a few spamming a clan chat.

no the op stated it as one of the reasons that he would like it but the topic was about the option which could be used for different reasons, im just expressing some of those

Tribelewits said :
Mainly to help clans who have issues with people, creating a kzillion F2P alts, to come in and troll.

This was stated as the main reason though, which is quite different from "one of the reasons" so I only replied on that. I understand where you're coming from though, but we're all playing RuneScape and separation isn't going to make the community better.

but how does a f2p player help contribute to my high level pvm clan, ex. a soccer coach shows up to my football training night and tries to contribute and coach knowing very little about football, id rather have them not be there at all
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15-Apr-2016 21:49:24 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 21:55:55 by Performs

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Scret said :
Whats it to you if you cant access anothers clan? What effect does it have on you as a f2p that you cant talk in my clan chat? what freedoms are being violated? lol

Your argument makes no sense what so ever. You may as well complaining that i have my pm set to friends too.

You really don't get it, do you? This is about principles. It's wrong to treat an entire group differently solely based on the behaviour of a few individuals in that group. You keep trying to make this something personal, but it isn't.

Performs said :
but how does a f2p player help contribute to my high level pvm clan, ex. a soccer coach shows up to my football training night and tries to contribute and coach knowing very little about football, id rather have them not be there at all

If you only chat about PvM, then I have to say your clan is quite one-sided. In the clans I've been in we've talked about a lot of things, and guests could often contribute positively to the atmosphere. :)
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Fire Hawk154 said :
Scret said :
Whats it to you if you cant access anothers clan? What effect does it have on you as a f2p that you cant talk in my clan chat? what freedoms are being violated? lol

Your argument makes no sense what so ever. You may as well complaining that i have my pm set to friends too.

You really don't get it, do you? This is about principles. It's wrong to treat an entire group differently solely based on the behaviour of a few individuals in that group. You keep trying to make this something personal, but it isn't.

Performs said :
but how does a f2p player help contribute to my high level pvm clan, ex. a soccer coach shows up to my football training night and tries to contribute and coach knowing very little about football, id rather have them not be there at all

If you only chat about PvM, then I have to say your clan is quite one-sided. In the clans I've been in we've talked about a lot of things, and guests could often contribute positively to the atmosphere. :)

You cant even really logically answer my questions, youre the one making it personal towards all f2pers when its not, there is no principles here, its just a game not a 1960's equal rights movement. please get a grip and move on from your argument which makes absolutely no sense to the reasons as to why people want this as a feature and doesnt even effect you in the slightest.

This will have as much impact on the F2P community as it does the people who are not on my friends list and cant pm me.
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15-Apr-2016 23:28:46 - Last edited on 15-Apr-2016 23:30:48 by Scret

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Fire Hawk154 said :
Scret said :
Whats it to you if you cant access anothers clan? What effect does it have on you as a f2p that you cant talk in my clan chat? what freedoms are being violated? lol

Your argument makes no sense what so ever. You may as well complaining that i have my pm set to friends too.

You really don't get it, do you? This is about principles. It's wrong to treat an entire group differently solely based on the behaviour of a few individuals in that group. You keep trying to make this something personal, but it isn't.

Performs said :
but how does a f2p player help contribute to my high level pvm clan, ex. a soccer coach shows up to my football training night and tries to contribute and coach knowing very little about football, id rather have them not be there at all

If you only chat about PvM, then I have to say your clan is quite one-sided. In the clans I've been in we've talked about a lot of things, and guests could often contribute positively to the atmosphere. :)

lol we do chat about other things but we're there as a pvm clan and f2p cannot contribute at all to our main goal so why would any of them be in there and why would we want any in there
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15-Apr-2016 23:37:58

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Performs said :
Fire Hawk154 said :
Scret said :
Whats it to you if you cant access anothers clan? What effect does it have on you as a f2p that you cant talk in my clan chat? what freedoms are being violated? lol

Your argument makes no sense what so ever. You may as well complaining that i have my pm set to friends too.

You really don't get it, do you? This is about principles. It's wrong to treat an entire group differently solely based on the behaviour of a few individuals in that group. You keep trying to make this something personal, but it isn't.

Performs said :
but how does a f2p player help contribute to my high level pvm clan, ex. a soccer coach shows up to my football training night and tries to contribute and coach knowing very little about football, id rather have them not be there at all

If you only chat about PvM, then I have to say your clan is quite one-sided. In the clans I've been in we've talked about a lot of things, and guests could often contribute positively to the atmosphere. :)

lol we do chat about other things but we're there as a pvm clan and f2p cannot contribute at all to our main goal so why would any of them be in there and why would we want any in there

Cos F2P have feelings too.
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15-Apr-2016 23:40:12

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Scret said :
Performs said :
Fire Hawk154 said :
Scret said :
Whats it to you if you cant access anothers clan? What effect does it have on you as a f2p that you cant talk in my clan chat? what freedoms are being violated? lol

Your argument makes no sense what so ever. You may as well complaining that i have my pm set to friends too.

You really don't get it, do you? This is about principles. It's wrong to treat an entire group differently solely based on the behaviour of a few individuals in that group. You keep trying to make this something personal, but it isn't.

Performs said :
but how does a f2p player help contribute to my high level pvm clan, ex. a soccer coach shows up to my football training night and tries to contribute and coach knowing very little about football, id rather have them not be there at all

If you only chat about PvM, then I have to say your clan is quite one-sided. In the clans I've been in we've talked about a lot of things, and guests could often contribute positively to the atmosphere. :)

lol we do chat about other things but we're there as a pvm clan and f2p cannot contribute at all to our main goal so why would any of them be in there and why would we want any in there

Cos F2P have feelings too.

but like why would any want to come in there unless it was to troll tbh
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16-Apr-2016 00:46:12

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Sookie Lala said :
Good idea, can we have an option to mute high level member accounts too please.

Oh, and pmods. This conveys it pretty well.

I'm also not sure how f2p accounts guesting in a high level p2p PvM clan is an issue. As of now, I don't really see how that relates to wanting the ability to ban f2p accounts from guesting.

Trying to use that as an argument also belittles the actual issue this thread is trying to address: how trolls can circumvent ban lists by creating f2p accounts, and continue to troll from those.
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16-Apr-2016 06:07:55

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Vera said :
Sookie Lala said :
Good idea, can we have an option to mute high level member accounts too please.

Oh, and pmods. This conveys it pretty well.

I'm also not sure how f2p accounts guesting in a high level p2p PvM clan is an issue. As of now, I don't really see how that relates to wanting the ability to ban f2p accounts from guesting.

Trying to use that as an argument also belittles the actual issue this thread is trying to address: how trolls can circumvent ban lists by creating f2p accounts, and continue to troll from those.

actually they go hand in hand for example instead of trolling my clan people can use f2p alts to see what worlds members in my clan are using in an attempt to crash them (was a bigger deal pre instance) but still holds some weight as it is f2p are kick on sight so it would just remove one thing I have to do if I see a new name in the cc
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16-Apr-2016 08:31:27

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Clans have every right to restrict who has access to the community, and Jagex has pretty much stated that clan's will always be able to freely choose those qualifications. In fact, Jagex's position is essentially that clans can do anything they please (within the rules of the game), and that if members don't like certain aspects of the clan then they are free to leave and choose a new clan that better reflects their values.

All clans have the right to make their own choices and optional features from Jagex that make clans easier to manage should be encouraged. Your clan does not have to adopt this proposal, but for many clans this truly is an excellent proposal to address a very real problem.

This proposal is an optional feature to address a very real problem that many of our clans have faced from time to time. The problem is that certain individuals create multiple accounts for the sole reason to disrupt and cause problems, and in extreme cases to perpetuate scams. These accounts are typically multiple and all non members. Currently the only option available is to waste banlist space on accounts that will likely never be used again, or to close the clan chat to guests.

All clans have different requirements and needs. This proposal is (in my opinion) a very reasonable solution to a very real problem that many clans have faced and is much preferable to currently available options like closing the chat to all guests or wasting multiple ban list spaces on a single individual.

I would actually take this idea one step further and suggest a feature to only allow members (or f2p) accounts to join a clan channel as a guest. Additional categories could be added to include filters such as Membership Status, Combat Level, Total Level, Ironman Status, and potentially even quest points and additional criteria. These could be adjusted to suit a clan's needs, with boxes being checked or unchecked to enable or disable each filter.
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