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Chunksofplum
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Harrases our CC for a few hours a night when they are bored and feeling particularly nasty by making F2P alts to Spy/spam/harass our CC

1 thing i can categorically tell you is, none of these people come in more than once with their P2P main, and what they say on it it much tamer than on the f2p alts that they do not care if they lose

Rather than the White list that has been pretty much put on a back burner as its too complicated this seems like a nice middle ground optional tool that clans can use and it wouldn't particularly impact anyone negativity in my opinion

I dont think F2P should be banned permanently from a cc as even our members go F2p and need an option to chat on the cc when they get back.

I have a story of one particular troll who i made a post about called Clan Event Problems

They sat for 6 hours in the Soul Wars Lobby waiting for us to show up, and seriously did not see we where messing with him, he entered our cc and still does with his F2P alts at least once a week to spy because he needs that much attention, on his main the worst he will call me is Kid (which is ironic considering hes the one acting like a 5 year old) but on his F2P alts he is much more loose with his insults and language, we want to protect our members because they mean the most to us while impacting their clan time the least

Option to Temp mute F2P guests is a good one, maybe not the right one but it would be nice to try it out

20-Apr-2016 19:12:08 - Last edited on 20-Apr-2016 19:42:38 by Chunksofplum

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Vera said :
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, I see; you've come up with a lot of reasons why clan leaders and owners need better tools to address guest trolls; they affect the clan in ways that I might not have thought of or heard about, and in ways that require preventing trolls from even entering the clan chat.

In that case, what patterns have you noticed in regards to those filters and troll accounts? Based on your stories, I feel like total level and membership status would be primary filters--throwaway accounts tend to have low total levels and are f2p, and f2pers usually accumulate a bit of total level/invest some time in-game before being interested in a clan, unless someone invites them to guest theirs.

What pattern were you thinking of with total combat level and ironman status? Good point about the opportunity cost involved with having to deal trolls ourselves.

Yeah you are correct, I think membership status and total level would solve the most common issues many clans seem to face. However, more options will give clans a better ability to react to negative situations and could also be used to enhance the clan's community.

Essentially this would be a one time update that would give clans an array of tools that could then be used individually or together to achieve desired effects. I included other potential criteria just to try to expand the idea so that if Jagex is able to work on this in the future, it will provide the maximum benefit.

Ideas for categories that could be optionally toggled:
Membership Status
Total Level
Combat Level
Total XP
Clan Status
Ironman/woman Status
Quest Points Milestones
Potentially even specific skills / levels

(brainstorming)
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20-Apr-2016 19:42:32 - Last edited on 20-Apr-2016 19:45:03 by Seer of War

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Esploratore said :

so we should punish a possible 1000 members not having access or having the option to talk in another cc. Including our admins, who are meant to keep order in any of our community's clans, when, at that time no admin is on, in the other clan..."[/i]

You weaken your argument.

Even with three chats, in reality you have nowhere near that many members impacted. Exaggerating the problem doesn't strengthen your position.

Thats not what i'm saying tho hence the word possible 1000 members.

Ofcourse i know that at no time we will ever have over 1000 people guesting. I dont want to exaggerate by saying this. I want to make a point by saying theres 1k people that could legit join as a guest, with a good reason, as they are members of the clan, versus 1 or 2 people spam making accounts. Proud Co-Owner of the Wolf
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20-Apr-2016 20:18:24

Vera

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, beyond the ability per se to toggle guests on a variety of criteria--how are the categories beyond total level and membership status worthwhile filters?

I'm not saying that such filters would be a bad idea, but what would they contribute? Most clans who have these requirements simply won't let people join without those requirements, and most are fine with these folks guesting. Even if they weren't fine with "unqualified" guests, I don't really see that as a problem, since worst case scenario a rank can kick the guest at their own leisure.

If those guests happen to be trolls, isn't putting that account on the ban list also more efficient and much easier than trying to figure out what parameters would block that account, but still allow favored guests to guest?
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21-Apr-2016 03:53:02

Scret
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Fire Hawk154 said :
Tribelewits said :
The "discrimination" is a tad too far fetched;
- What's the diff with the whitelist? anyone not on the whitelist is discriminated?
- For that matter any requirement a clan sets as their requirements is discrimination against others not reaching that requirement?

No, with the whitelist you select people individually. With this "mute all F2P" you don't pick individuals, you separate an entire group. The majority of F2P players aren't trolls or spammers. It's sad that some people abuse the ability to make F2P accounts to spam with, but THAT's the problem that should be fixed. Take away the ability to make spam accounts, add more restrictions to when someone can join a Clan Chat (like having played X hours), add a "whois" tool so clan leaders can identify someone and so on. It's even possible to add a delay to being able to join a Clan Chat (E.G. admins get a message player Y wants to guest in their CC, general information of said player, accept/decline button). It would require more work, but short-term solutions aren't the answer for problems we've been having for a long time. Every single guest should be treated as an individual.

White list idea is for who you allow in not who you keep out, its not the same.
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23-Apr-2016 10:03:32

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Esploratore said :
@ Tribblewits You don't want to ever close your chats because you're functioning as a clan community consisting of three separate clans and your members move between the clan channels depending upon the situation and your needs. The original chat is used for communication and announcements along with your social media.

But when you wrote ... "For those saying close the cc's,

so we should punish a possible 1000 members not having access or having the option to talk in another cc. Including our admins, who are meant to keep order in any of our community's clans, when, at that time no admin is on, in the other clan..."

You weaken your argument.

Even with three chats, in reality you have nowhere near that many members impacted. Exaggerating the problem doesn't strengthen your position.

It's probably affecting no more than 150 players at any given time and most times less than that. So closing your chat when admins aren't online is a viable option even if it's not one you especially like.

Closing chat is an option we dont want to have to use thus the reason for this idea, its not that difficult to understand this why are people telling us what we need to do? quit telling us what is and isnt a viable for our clans which some of us have been running for 5+ years lol
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23-Apr-2016 10:14:19

Esploratore
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@ Scret

I understand the reasoning behind the suggestion of a mute option. Several pages ago I supported the idea (not that it matters to you ofc).

If a clan doesn't want to use the tools we currently have available while waiting for a mute tool (that may or may not be added), it's obviously their decision.

I'm not telling you what to do as I honestly couldn't care less.

26-Apr-2016 23:42:54

Dave Mercer
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Lisaa said :
I don't think it's fair to discriminate against free players like this.

It is completely fair to discriminate against f2p in my view. If someone has a
members only clan
why should we want f2p guests who are potentially trolls and most likely trolls?
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