RuneScape Forum Archive | Probation/Cooldown Suggestions

DrBrokenBow

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Scret said :
Adding a new rank is far less messy than adding yet another chat option and more colours etc

So... ermm... the old system would be even easier and less messy then?
That way no new ranks are needed and it's still an instant join system.

Scret said :

No real solution to this is going to be easy to implement.

Yup. Even though we've been told that the JMods will listen to feedback, and here we can suggest things, almost everything will be "Well..... we could but that's not technically feasible"
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01-Feb-2015 12:38:35

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Geneawac

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Why not just make a rank with a smiley face, like in friends chat? That rank would be what you would call "future clanmate, preferred guest, invited guest, clan friend". That way they can be in the clan chat while waiting for their probation period to be over while keeping any unwanted guests out of the clan chat.

01-Feb-2015 17:16:17

SofaKing

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Scret said :
I guess i dont have to use it but still i just think adding a new rank instead which will have the same properties as cool down and guest whitelist in 1 will be a lot tidier.

And if i am reading it correctly the "guest whitelist" idea will still not allow people to join straight away?

No, these recruits would not join the clan straight away in the sense of being a full member of the clan who can cap or play clan cup. They would have no rank in your clans highscores. They would just be a guest with a smiley face in clanchat. However, the whitelist would do the work of transfering them from the whitelist to the clan as a Recruit rank automatically, once their cooldown ends, if they allow it to do that.

So in this sence, yes they would able to join straight away, temporarily as a smiley rank guest awaiting cooldown while keeping the chat closed to unwanted guests.

We could manage new members waiting on cooldown from the whitelist, and know who they are because they would have a "

" in clanchat. While normal guests wouldn't nessesarily need a "

" rank in clanchat.

01-Feb-2015 20:56:05 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2015 21:10:32 by SofaKing

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Bresmine

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As I've said before, I do like the idea of a whitelist ( a list of players who can enter your CC even if it is closed to guests ), but I see no reason to tie it to the cooldown period. There doesn't need to be an 'auto-join after cooldown is up' feature, there doesn't need to be any new ranks created at all .

Simply whitelist them while they are exploring the clan so that they can access your locked CC, once they are done with cooldown and want to join you can meet them in game for an invite like any other recruit.

A whitelist, as described above in its most pragmatic form, means that clans can close their CCs to guests and keep out the trolls, and then simply add potential recruits to their white list while they are considering joining through their cooldown. They would have to be manually added and removed, but that is no more work than we already have to do maintaining our in-game ban lists .

Let's not misunderstand "possible improvements to the changed system" as "we will do everything for you." Part of this compromise is understanding that there will still be changes that we all have to adjust to ( http://tinyurl.com/o58fjhu ).

I think that most of you are taking a relatively simple idea like a whitelist and making it horribly complex by trying to tie it to other mechanics unnecessarily.

REMEMBER:
They have denied us a white list in the past due to dev complications. So we should be keeping it as simple as possible if we want it to be considered as a way to help with the cooldown issue. Tying it to other things, making it more complicated, probably only gives developers more reasons to say NO .
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01-Feb-2015 21:18:47 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2015 21:26:18 by Bresmine

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Excellent points, Bresmine. I want all sorts of things, but if I can't get them the simplest form of something we're asking for would still make me very happy. Of course, I might complain that it's in it's simplest form, but I'm a customer xD

I would love to see any form of a guest whitelist added to the game, at it's simplest form or with all the bells and whistles. It would help my clan so much, and is closely tied to the new cooldown system (in that, we allow guests now because of it).
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01-Feb-2015 22:08:19 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2015 22:09:28 by Body btw

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Bresmine

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Body btw said :
Excellent points, Bresmine. I want all sorts of things, but if I can't get them the simplest form of something we're asking for would still make me very happy. Of course, I might complain that it's in it's simplest form, but I'm a customer xD

I would love to see any form of a guest whitelist added to the game, at it's simplest form or with all the bells and whistles. It would help my clan so much, and is closely tied to the new cooldown system (in that, we allow guests now because of it).

+1
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01-Feb-2015 22:13:18

Body btw

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Thylordship said :
Bresmine said :
I don't think privacy is a concern here at all. In the past there have been legitimate privacy concern such as those that surrounded the join/trail option additions and being bothered or harassed in game. But with this update, letting us see if they are on cooldown or not is harmless. From a Clan Leader's perspective, I agree. From a random player's however, I strongly disagree. I can see a lot of players wanting to keep this information private so that they don't get spammed by recruiters or to use it as an excuse for denying invitations.

If the fact you're in a clan is private information (can be hidden when you're examined), I'd think that whether you're on cooldown or not is even more so.

As to whitelists, this has been something both CLF members as well as Jagex approved of I thought? If it's not in game yet, I assume there's a technical or logistical hurdle in the way that prevents this from happening?
I don't really understand Thylord's argument here. The old probation system was in effect for years (and the general recruiting process for years more) and they were equally susceptible to people "bothering" them to join as they would be with this newly proposed idea for knowing how long a player's been on cooldown.

I really don't think it's an issue and that is why. If anything it should be less of a problem with cooldown in effect as people may not bother if they see they are on cooldown. Before, no one was on cooldown and could change clan's immediately. You can still look to see if someone is not in a clan, we're just talking about seeing if someone is on cooldown/how many days left.

Not really sure why this is an issue with the points presented so far.
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01-Feb-2015 22:16:14 - Last edited on 01-Feb-2015 22:18:23 by Body btw

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Colifin

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SofaKing said :
As an amendment to my suggestion with the whitelist cooldown thing , for privacy concerns, perhaps if a player has their examine feature set to private then we could not see if they are on cooldown or in a clan (or not in a clan) from the whitelist tab.
No support for anything in the name of "privacy." This is 2015, privacy doesn't exist, people need to stop acting like they have a right to things that they don't.

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01-Feb-2015 22:25:34

SofaKing

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Colifin said :
SofaKing said :
As an amendment to my suggestion with the whitelist cooldown thing , for privacy concerns, perhaps if a player has their examine feature set to private then we could not see if they are on cooldown or in a clan (or not in a clan) from the whitelist tab.
No support for anything in the name of "privacy." This is 2015, privacy doesn't exist, people need to stop acting like they have a right to things that they don't.
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Bresmine said :
Body btw said :
I would love to see any form of a guest whitelist added to the game, at it's simplest form or with all the bells and whistles. It would help my clan so much, and is closely tied to the new cooldown system (in that, we allow guests now because of it).
+1
+1
Imo, best fix to make cooldown manageable.

01-Feb-2015 22:29:12

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2006

Colifin

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Bresmine said :
As I've said before, I do like the idea of a whitelist ( a list of players who can enter your CC even if it is closed to guests ), but I see no reason to tie it to the cooldown period. There doesn't need to be an 'auto-join after cooldown is up' feature, there doesn't need to be any new ranks created at all .

Simply whitelist them while they are exploring the clan so that they can access your locked CC, once they are done with cooldown and want to join you can meet them in game for an invite like any other recruit.

A whitelist, as described above in its most pragmatic form, means that clans can close their CCs to guests and keep out the trolls, and then simply add potential recruits to their white list while they are considering joining through their cooldown. They would have to be manually added and removed, but that is no more work than we already have to do maintaining our in-game ban lists .
Except a whitelist in its most simplistic doesn't actually do anything to solve the issues created by this update. All it allows people to do is join a chat that's closed to guests, and I suppose it could also be used as a list of potential recruits.

Nothing short of making them automatically join the clan chat during their probationary period will work. They need to feel like they're actually a part of the clan during that time.

Why after reading everything that I say regarding this issue do I then look and say "oh look, the previous probation system was the best of both worlds."

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01-Feb-2015 22:31:28

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