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Seasons Past

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Ales

Most ales are currently outclassed by regular food and/or potions. Suggested improvements include:
-All mature ales would bestow effects for one hour
* Effects would be continuous (like overloads) rather than dropping off in potency over time
* Duration would include offline time

Below is a list of ales with proposed changes highlighted in bold :

Cider
+1 Farming
+2 Ranged
-2 Strength

Dwarven stout
+1 Mining
+1 Smithing
-1 Attack
-1 Ranged
-1 Magic

Asgarnian ale
+2 Strength
-4 Defence
Special:
* Tier 1 luck
* Chance to mine two silver or gold ore at once (additive with Varrock armour and Shooting Star buff)

Wizard's mind bomb
+2-3 Magic
+2 Runecrafting
-4 Attack
-3 Strength
-3 Ranged

Dragon bitter
+4 Constitution
Special:
* Weak antifire effect, stacking with anti-dragon shield
Other:
* Mutual exclusivity with moonlight mead (see below)

Moonlight mead
Special:
* +2 Prayer bonus, stacking with harralander incense sticks
* Increased rate of natural healing, stacking multiplicatively with Rapid Heal/Renewal, Dream, and the bracelet of regeneration
Other:
* Mutual exclusivity with dragon bitter

Reference: https://runescape.wiki/w/Brewing#Types_of_ales_and_ciders Spirit of Forinthry ~ Runecrafting: Magic Armour ~ F2P Extensions ~ Dragon Slayer improvements ~ New Player Experience

13-Oct-2023 20:25:45 - Last edited on 21-Nov-2023 19:27:08 by Seasons Past

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Update 15/10/23

Organisation
-Removed priority list section

Proposed F2P access to the following:

Asgarnia

Farming Extension (post 2)
-Garden pie^1

Crafting Guild Refurbished (post 2)
-Unrestricted access to the bank deposit box, with ability to upgrade to a bank chest^2
-New flax field, gem rocks, and improved sources of sand and seaweed^2
-Rearrangement of certain features for greater convenience

Lumbridge & Draynor

Wizards’ Tower Refresh (post 5)
-Deposit box upgraded into a bank chest as a reward from the Medium Lumbridge achievements
-Ability for all players to equip one type of rune in the ammunition slot as a universal QoL improvement

Zanaris (post 6)
-Slayer Master Chaeldar
-Moved F2P access to the dragon dagger and longsword to the Kalphite Queen extension

Agility & Thieving Extension (post 6)
-Al Kharid Palace unlocked as a new Agility course after the Stolen Hearts quest
* Would have no level requirement and offer better XP than the Burthorpe course
-Sorceress’s Garden minigame (Garden of Winter only)

Kalphite Queen (post 6)
-Dragon chainbody received as a drop
* Ability to obtain and trade but not equip
-Weapon special attacks

Varrock & Wilderness

Champions’ Guild Renovation
-Champions’ Challenge D&D^2

Cooks’ Guild Reopening
-Unrestricted access to the bank and cooking range^2
-New food shop^2
-Ability to brew most ales in a new basement
-Dairy cows added outside^1
-Baked potato variants, excluding those with P2P ingredients^1

Notes:
^1 In response to feedback
^2 Taken from another thread, (F2P) QoL Improvements v2 Spirit of Forinthry ~ Runecrafting: Magic Armour ~ F2P Extensions ~ Dragon Slayer improvements ~ New Player Experience

15-Oct-2023 07:42:09 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2023 02:43:12 by Seasons Past

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I think Ale refresh should be included here but expanded or all ales in a separate thread. But good catch and good idea. I only listed the ales I think need improvement. Greenman's ale and axeman's folly are already in a good place in my opinion.

I didn't touch the ones that can't be brewed, with the exception of ranger's aid. That one can be merged with cider, which would make the Ranged ale brewable. Asgarnian ale boosts Strength and wizard's mind bomb Magic, both of which can be brewed. Spirit of Forinthry ~ Runecrafting: Magic Armour ~ F2P Extensions ~ Dragon Slayer improvements ~ New Player Experience

16-Oct-2023 20:13:49

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Update 17/10/23

Proposed F2P access to the following:

Asgarnia

Void Knights' Outpost (post 3)
- Quiet Before the Swarm quest
* Prerequisite quests reduced to only Imp Catcher and Recruitment Drive

Varrock & Wilderness
-Moved F2P access to the Forinthry bracelet from Praying for Chaos Pt. 2 to Edgeville Dungeon: Into the Wilderness (post 9)

Specified the following:
-Runecrafting skill improvements under the Bindings of Chaos extension (post 7)
-Awarding of the proposed Champions’ Cape upon completion of the Dragon Slayer quest (post 8)
-Addition of apple barrels with the brewery in the proposed cellar of the Cooks’ Guild (post 8)
-That all players would be able to interact with Talsar on F2P worlds, in order to complete the Easy Daemonheim achievements (post 9)
-Improvements to the Family Crest quest allowing non-members to complete the quest (post 9)
-Improvements to rewards from the Fist of Guthix minigame (post 10) Spirit of Forinthry ~ Runecrafting: Magic Armour ~ F2P Extensions ~ Dragon Slayer improvements ~ New Player Experience

17-Oct-2023 02:09:50 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2023 02:48:40 by Seasons Past

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Update 20/10/23

Organisation
-Improved wording and organisation throughout, for greater clarity and readability
-Renamed the Entrana extension to Falador Area Tasks (post 2)

Proposed removing the following:

Asgarnia

Falador Area Tasks (post 2)
-F2P access to the Construction skill
* Requirement and XP reward for the Perils of Ice Mountain quest

Crafting Guild Refurbished (post 2)
-Clan Camp
* All necessary functions would be performed by a single NPC at the Varrock Grand Exchange
-Armadyl's Tower
* Replaced with an instanced area accessed from the Ikovian Temple

Taverley Dungeon, Part 1 (post 3)
-Crater and scattered debris near Bandos's Remains

Lumbridge & Draynor

Zanaris (post 6)
-Impetuous Impulses minigame
* Magic butterfly net would be earned from Stealing Creation
-Hallowe’en 2018 event crater northeast of Draynor Village
* Players would be able to view event cutscenes by interacting with an object in Draynor Manor grounds

Varrock & Wilderness

Sightseeing (post 7)
-Well of Goodwill Spirit of Forinthry ~ Runecrafting: Magic Armour ~ F2P Extensions ~ Dragon Slayer improvements ~ New Player Experience

20-Oct-2023 02:25:25 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2023 03:17:55 by Seasons Past

Noctis King
Dec Member 2023

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@Seasons Past.

I do think construction should be left as is, with no additional content yet. Making the teaser content all P2P would cause a lot of backlash, and Mod Stu (a senior developer) was lucky to give POH and construction as a teaser.

Here is a little bit of history. It would be like with Canifis gloves problem in 2004. Gloves are available for F2P for a month when released. When Jagex realized it was a bug, they immediately caused the colored item to be P2P. There was a lot of backlash and a lot of players, including members, and at that time, the users of the Jagex messaging system were complaining and ranting to Jagex. So a week later, Jagex retracted their decision to make gloves F2P. Currently, in regular runescape, the glove has no value for armor.

Back then in RS2, f2p updates were rare to get.

Anyway, a combat update is coming soon. It looks like they're only buffing the offense skills (namely attack, strength, range, and magic). Ever since necromancy was added, a lot of enemies had their stats adjusted, mostly with higher HP. Hopefully, the buff will actually be good enough to battle enemies. Next, after beta, I hope Jagex will buff defense.

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a=97/necromancy-combat-changes--beta-update

21-Oct-2023 21:12:36 - Last edited on 21-Oct-2023 21:24:08 by Noctis King

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@Noctis King

I'd like to address all of the points you made about Construction exclusivity.

First, I acknowledge that there would be backlash to making the skill once again fully P2P.

Second, you've explained that making the Canifis gloves F2P brought no harm to the game, even though it was unintentional at first.

My own counterarguments:

Construction has always been an outlier. Until Dungeoneering, it was the only skill that couldn't be trained or even engaged with outside its own confined area. This severely limited its potential mechanically and content-wise.

Fort Forinthry finally fixed this restrictive situation by making Construction an integral part of the main game area. No longer is it mechanically severed from the rest of the game as it was prior to this year.

The purpose of a trial is just that - a trial. If something is demoed, it should serve as an enticing and fairly accurate representation of the larger whole. The implicit goal is to make a positive impression so that people will want to seek out more content on their own.

The Construction trial doesn't achieve that goal. Fort Forinthry has become what the POH always aspired to be but could not have been because of inherent design limitations. The purpose of a trial being what it is, what does the POH have to offer in the first 20, let alone 5, levels? Do the first 20 levels (without access to Fort Forinthry) provide a good impression of what Construction, much less the game, has to offer?

To be crystal clear - it is not the POH directly making the game worse off; it is the fact that F2P have access to something of very poor quality, which will dissuade them from playing.

Regarding the controversy aspect, popularity should not be used in exclusion as a gauge of whether something should or should not be done. It is relevant, because other people obviously are affected by changes, but should never be the deciding factor. What is best in the long term is not always popular, and vice versa. Spirit of Forinthry ~ Runecrafting: Magic Armour ~ F2P Extensions ~ Dragon Slayer improvements ~ New Player Experience

21-Oct-2023 23:50:20 - Last edited on 22-Oct-2023 00:32:29 by Seasons Past

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While I am aware of and appreciate Mod Stu's efforts in developing the POH tutorial, I do not believe that it is in the interest of the game for new players to be shown that content. The POH lacks appeal for a modern audience and makes a poor impression of the game. That is not what we want as players, nor what the developers intend.

I have always felt that the 5-level trial for members' skills was a mistake. 5 levels is just enough to showcase the most bare, basic, and repetitive mechanics, only to abruptly cut off access. The message this sends is: We don't want you to continue playing. Spirit of Forinthry ~ Runecrafting: Magic Armour ~ F2P Extensions ~ Dragon Slayer improvements ~ New Player Experience

22-Oct-2023 22:05:37 - Last edited on 22-Oct-2023 22:10:29 by Seasons Past

Noctis King
Dec Member 2023

Noctis King

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@Seasons Past,

I understand your point of view. I appreciate your explaining things.

I do not think a developer made a mistake in making the POH teaser. It is not one man's decision on the Runescape team. This was obviously a team, a director, and more likely a higher-up's decision. As someone who knows about technology, software, and designing. Sometimes cases can be easy to change, but it usually takes time to change or could be difficult at times. In terms of adding, modifying, or removing things, it takes time, cost, and resources to develop content. Another reason to change content is if consumer feedback is huge, worth the effort, or a business decision. All we can do is guess, but we do not know what the team was planning at the time in the past or now.

However, developer vision is not always consistent; the past, present, and future can have different views or policies that can change or affect the software.

Back on topic, I was not referring to popularity in the previous post, implying the time length for the POH teaser. If this had happened within 3-5 months, it could have been easier to reverse the changes based on feedback or balancing. But like I said, development to change contents takes resources, feedback, time, and money. Construction is out to f2p upto level 5 for 5 years.

Anyways I keep it aside for now and leave it alone. I hope this enlighten you with information.

I agree that up to level 5 is not suitable for a teaser for mostly P2P skills.

23-Oct-2023 00:56:51 - Last edited on 23-Oct-2023 03:20:10 by Noctis King

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