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Dilbert2001
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Dilbert2001

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I Lack Heart said :
Uncl said :

You're the one working on extremes. You're suggesting kids have 50k. That was your point. You're suggesting that the vast majority of parents don't have control over their credit cards, nor take in interest in their kids.

The part in red, contradicts your statement in green.

You see, you're trying to ban alcohol. That's your point. My point is, alcohol has good regulations and doesn't need banning. It's fine - leave TH the way it is, leave bonds the way they are.

You mention, dopamine - which people get from games. So should RS be banned?

You cannot have it both ways. You admit it's a few - even if it's 10%, it's not enough. There isn't any violent crime going on here. It's a game. Have you even tried other mobile games? Do you know the huge difference between what's in RS vs everyone else?

TH is a dnd, with RNG. You can get as many free tickets as you want from just playing. You can even
Runescape itself doesnt have constant billing apart from membership that would be problematic for addiction, of course it can be unhealthy if someone spends majority of their time playing but at least that does not ruin their financial state and future. I never said i want to ban TH, i want games that have them adult only content with age verification, its not the parents job to look after if their kids take their credit card and spend money on game that is rated suitable for them.

In this case it would mean RS would have to remove TH unless they wanted to change their game to adult only.

Sorry to remind you again but the lengthy 84 page DCMS document is mainly directed at Online Harm and not just "gambling". It does cover much much much much much more ground on gaming addiction that is not specific to loot boxes. Perhaps you should re-read it.

Removing TH or changing the game to adult won't help solve the problem of gaming addiction and mental health problems at all.

13-Sep-2019 17:10:05

Torgi Nudho

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Dilbert2001 said :
Torgi Nudho said :
Torgi Nudho said :
Did you read all the posts in this thread?

I do not have to read any of them, the fact is written law, which you can actually verify yourself, prevails over opinions.

Again, real world governments take real world actions. If you can't accept what real world UK goverment said loot boxes is not gambling it is up to you. If you can't accept the Belgium BGC is being bombarded by evidence of their leaking of information behind the comitte's back as well as being put in the doghouse by the other EU commisions, so be it.

The fact remains TH is not gambling and no real world governments say it is.


- Wrong, they literally just said it is gambling + UK (which is a real country); started taking action (China as well fyi)

14-Sep-2019 04:13:56 - Last edited on 14-Sep-2019 04:15:07 by Torgi Nudho

Torgi Nudho

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Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
Time they finish regulating they will wish it was gambling.

Nobody is "regulating" anything on the internet. Obviosly, they will never finish anything they don't even start... :D




- Countries have been regulating constantly, it's a new field which has been expanding exponentionally. (Basically I'm saying you're wrong again)

14-Sep-2019 04:16:35

Torgi Nudho

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Dilbert2001 said :
xox Lola xox said :
Torgi Nudho said :
You do know that during that meeting of the Gambling Regulators European Forum, 15 European regulators and the Washington State Gambling Commission signed a joint statement expressing concerns over loot boxes, skin betting and other similar practices, right? (2018)


And guess which country signed it as well...

"Neil McArthur, Chief Executive Officer,
UK Gambling Commission"


(source: Declaration of gambling regulators on their concerns related to the blurring of lines between gambling and gaming 17 September 2018)

They are very concerned about the harm loot boxes are causing I agree.

LOL. Their lead UK already told us loot boxes is not gambling. The harm? If you don't like it don't buy it. Video games are harmful according to WHO's ICD:11, with or without loot boxes anyway.

Yeah, this statement is incorrect.[/quote]

14-Sep-2019 04:19:32

Torgi Nudho

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Dilbert2001 said :
Torgi Nudho said :
'They concluded their statement a long time ago', can I have any proof of that, a date perhaps?

'long time ago' implies quite a few years, they signed it not even one year ago, it would seemed quite unusual for a country to change it's gambling policies within a year, including the numerous years of prior research

Don't try to argue the meaning of words. We have the links in the threads. You can check the dates.

They never have another meeting afterward after Ireland quit the meeting first and then UK delivered the final verdict.

- They did not deliver the final verdict, hence the 84 pages which is quite a good read

14-Sep-2019 04:20:53

Dilbert2001
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Torgi Nudho said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Torgi Nudho said :
(1/3) In my humble opinion...

The fact is no law says TH is gambling.

-Wrong; see Belgium's law.

Too bad your comments are not Belgium's Law. For the record, only a small handful of games had to adjust their loot boxes in Belgium, their country's law do not have any problem with Runescape as well as the other over 9000 games operating there. :D

14-Sep-2019 17:03:35

Dilbert2001
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Torgi Nudho said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Torgi Nudho said :
'They concluded their statement a long time ago', can I have any proof of that, a date perhaps?

'long time ago' implies quite a few years, they signed it not even one year ago, it would seemed quite unusual for a country to change it's gambling policies within a year, including the numerous years of prior research

Don't try to argue the meaning of words. We have the links in the threads. You can check the dates.

They never have another meeting afterward after Ireland quit the meeting first and then UK delivered the final verdict.

- They did not deliver the final verdict, hence the 84 pages which is quite a good read

What final verdict and what 84 pages? The 84 pages document is aimed at Online Harms covering a large number of areas including toxicity, trolling, violence, etc while the meeting between the Gambling Commissions of many EU countries and Washington State of the USA talked about totally different subjects - blur lines between online games and gambling.

Totally different things. Apples and oranges. :D

14-Sep-2019 17:07:14

Torgi Nudho

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Nice attempt to twist some words, Bilbert:

Have you ever thought of becoming a politician, because you talk like one, if you try you'd be able to sell them oranges and apples easily!


- They literally both adressed the same topics;
- Earlier you said it was only the 16 EU countries, while I pointed out it was 15+Washington (to which you replied I was wrong, odd isn't this);
- What final verdict? (It's your own comment, you should know what you're claiming), to freshen up your memory you posted: "They never have another meeting afterward after Ireland quit the meeting first and then UK delivered the final verdict. " (FYI: they have annual meetings, so heh, another incorrect statement);
- Replying to your 'not a single country cares.. blah blah'; to which: they actually do care, hence why they're all having inquiries and updating their legislations; (you actually even stated that the UK already had their "final verdict" why would they euhhh have an inquiry when they 'were already done' with the subject?)
- To your 'what 84 pages': again it's in your own comment, to freshen up your memory on this post you claimed: " Sorry to remind you again but the lengthy 84 page DCMS document is mainly directed at Online Harm and not just gambling": They literally recommend the UK Government to regulate loot boxes under the Gambling Act".



Y u no make sense, consistency is key, my friend

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