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Uncl
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So according to the UK - they are focusing in on the bonds, dual arena, and pvp. Not TH. To them, gambling comes from human vs human interactions - as 100% of all games would be classified as gambling. So as I was saying before, you have to be against bonds, the dual area, and pvp.

People are paying for bonds to stake, to gamble.

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15-Sep-2019 15:41:21 - Last edited on 15-Sep-2019 15:57:56 by Uncl

Dilbert2001
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@Torgi Nudho

First, in case if you still don't get it, if you are referring to me, please note that my Forum ID is Dilbert2001, but not Bilbert. Can I respectfully ask you not to twist my Forum ID repeatedly?

Now, the EU meeting with Washington on the blur line of gaming and gambling was clearly not a regular yearly meeting since Washington is clearly not an EU country. It won't matter how you twist it, it is just not a regular annual meeting... and it happened last year around this time but not anymore this year.

The final verdict last year, delivered by UKGC was no updated legislation as they cleared stated the meeting had no legal implication to begin with.

Don't you realize there is a long long list of Online Harm including toxicity, trolling, disinformation, cyber bully, distorting other people's image intentionally among parental control and online spending control? And don't forget the recommendation on loot boxes is not to regulate game-of-chance, but to ask for the CONTENT of the game-of-chance to be disclosed under the CURRENT regulations.

15-Sep-2019 18:55:05

boidae
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whats the difference of gambling online to gambling in a casino/betting/slots/arcade/pub etc

th is just buying a smidge of exp/bonus exp.. the promotional items on it are just bonuses

like a coin pusher with a treat/toy on top that might drop, and toddlers can play on coin pushers

nippers can also play a game of chance on claw machines

16-Sep-2019 02:58:38 - Last edited on 16-Sep-2019 03:05:08 by boidae

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With the recent UK news about lootboxes, I feel now is a good time to end treasure hunter.

In the past, Jagex have stated that MX was necessary for Runescape's survival.
However with the recent news, I don't think this is the case any more. I used to believe them and sort of just try to ignore treasure hunter. I have now changed my mind. Treasure hunter really does cause harm.
It is a straight up predatory mechanic to milk money from certain people.

With the recent news, legislation is coming. I feel it would look very positive for Jagex if they removed TH now before they are forced to change it through regulation.
If it causes too much hurt for the shareholders then fine, keep solomons, and I guess for the moment I'm happy about bonds in the game, it counters gold farmers to an extent and it allows the most dedicated players to earn membership through playing the game.

But I do feel it's time for TH to go. Jagex themselves have even said players have spent £1000 in a week or £5000 in a month on in-game purchases!

The increase in players to RS3 caused by the removal of MX should offset some of the monetary loss, and honestly in the long term will be more important to the game's health. If Jagex is being unsustainable with it's work without MX it should change. We already pay membership and that should be enough to cover the cost of the game and updates.

I hope that the high ups aren't just lining their pockets, while the regular employees are on minimum pay. Call me cynical, but it is the higher ups who make the decision about MX and they will of course call them necessary if that is boosting their pay-checks.

Jagex should set an example to the gaming industry and remove them.
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16-Sep-2019 16:16:40 - Last edited on 16-Sep-2019 17:37:50 by Gluepot

Dilbert2001
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Jagex have already set an example to the gaming industry by teaching them how to monetize the games and get like £24 mil a year from TH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzcYJIHo-dw

Jagex never said players spent "£1000 in a week or £5000 in a month on treasure hunter". That's how much they spent on in-game purchases that include not just TH but also Bond and Runecoins.

16-Sep-2019 16:50:09

Gluepot

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Dilbert2001 said :
Jagex have already set an example to the gaming industry by teaching them how to monetize the games and get like £24 mil a year from TH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzcYJIHo-dw

Jagex never said players spent "£1000 in a week or £5000 in a month on treasure hunter". That's how much they spent on in-game purchases that include not just TH but also Bond and Runecoins.

Sorry I'll correct to in-game purchases. Still not sure how someone can defend it.
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16-Sep-2019 17:37:26

Dilbert2001
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Gluepot said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Jagex have already set an example to the gaming industry by teaching them how to monetize the games and get like £24 mil a year from TH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzcYJIHo-dw

Jagex never said players spent "£1000 in a week or £5000 in a month on treasure hunter". That's how much they spent on in-game purchases that include not just TH but also Bond and Runecoins.

Sorry I'll correct to in-game purchases. Still not sure how someone can defend it.

There is nothing needed to defend as Walmart don't set a limit on how many candies or batteries a customer can purchase a month.

Besides, according to Jagex they could block all payment from a player if he requested it.

16-Sep-2019 17:57:40

Gluepot

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Currently I'm ok with Solomons and bonds, you get what you pay for.

I don't think Solomon's fits well with the game as cosmetics should be obtainable through the game, as there's already cosmetics rewards. But ultimately that's some player choice.

Treasure hunter on the other hand is random reward chests and with the regular promotions it is straight up gambling mechanics which can be addicting to many people. Governents are going to regulate it.

I think Jagex should remove it themselves before the law forces them to.

These laws will come into force because of these aggressive and manipulative montisation methods (kids racking up thousands of pounds of parents money). So in my opinion, if a game still has them, when they know full well how manipulative they are. Then they are being greedy and do not care about their consumers.

If the monetisation is to remain in-game, then the company will start having to age restrict the game to 18 or 21+ to comply as well as having to do more vigourous age checks. As much as players will bypass the age restrictions regardless. It will still harm the health of the game!
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16-Sep-2019 22:09:18

Fake moons

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boidae said :
whats the difference of gambling online to gambling in a casino/betting/slots/arcade/pub etc

th is just buying a smidge of exp/bonus exp.. the promotional items on it are just bonuses

like a coin pusher with a treat/toy on top that might drop, and toddlers can play on coin pushers

nippers can also play a game of chance on claw machines

The difference is skill is required.

17-Sep-2019 00:46:15

Dilbert2001
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Fake moons said :
boidae said :
whats the difference of gambling online to gambling in a casino/betting/slots/arcade/pub etc

th is just buying a smidge of exp/bonus exp.. the promotional items on it are just bonuses

like a coin pusher with a treat/toy on top that might drop, and toddlers can play on coin pushers

nippers can also play a game of chance on claw machines

The difference is skill is required.

Skill is definitely required to play pokers and black jack. If you play them in a real world casino for real money, it is not gambling?

17-Sep-2019 04:58:38

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