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Dilbert2001
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Gluepot said :
Currently I'm ok with Solomons and bonds, you get what you pay for.

I don't think Solomon's fits well with the game as cosmetics should be obtainable through the game, as there's already cosmetics rewards. But ultimately that's some player choice.

Treasure hunter on the other hand is random reward chests and with the regular promotions it is straight up gambling mechanics which can be addicting to many people. Governents are going to regulate it.

I think Jagex should remove it themselves before the law forces them to.

These laws will come into force because of these aggressive and manipulative montisation methods (kids racking up thousands of pounds of parents money). So in my opinion, if a game still has them, when they know full well how manipulative they are. Then they are being greedy and do not care about their consumers.

If the monetisation is to remain in-game, then the company will start having to age restrict the game to 18 or 21+ to comply as well as having to do more vigourous age checks. As much as players will bypass the age restrictions regardless. It will still harm the health of the game!


Governments talked about skin gambling a lot more, especially the UKGC and many EU countries + Washington State of the USA . If they were going to ban gambling they definitely would have to ban Duel Arena first.

However, even if Duel Arena was to be banned, there must be a REAL LAW first. But there obviously is no such thing in the real world, so Jagex doesn't need to ban it and they have no reason to unless someday some real governments come up with real law which may not come before Jesus. :D

17-Sep-2019 05:03:48 - Last edited on 17-Sep-2019 05:04:19 by Dilbert2001

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Actually TH is not the issue as you can see the drops you get. The issue is people buying bonds to stake or buy equipment to get drops, or buy food to get drops. TH is not the issue according to the EU.

And yes, the da would have to be banned first, then the wilderness second
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17-Sep-2019 05:40:36 - Last edited on 17-Sep-2019 05:41:38 by Uncl

Fake moons

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Dilbert2001 said :
Fake moons said :
boidae said :
whats the difference of gambling online to gambling in a casino/betting/slots/arcade/pub etc

th is just buying a smidge of exp/bonus exp.. the promotional items on it are just bonuses

like a coin pusher with a treat/toy on top that might drop, and toddlers can play on coin pushers

nippers can also play a game of chance on claw machines


The difference is skill is required.


Skill is definitely required to play pokers and black jack. If you play them in a real world casino for real money, it is not gambling?


Not seeing your point at all.

17-Sep-2019 05:47:39

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Uncl said :
Actually TH is not the issue as you can see the drops you get. The issue is people buying bonds to stake or buy equipment to get drops, or buy food to get drops. TH is not the issue according to the EU.

And yes, the da would have to be banned first, then the wilderness second


Being able to see the drops does not remove the issue. Lootboxes are being looked at as a problem. Currently you know what you can get and sometimes what the chances of getting that are. Children are wanting the rare or very rare items, but don't understand the odds. So are spending lots to obtain the thing they want. This is why there is call to regulate them as gambling and introduce age restrictions.

DA is a separate issue. And it will need to be sorted at some point.
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17-Sep-2019 08:58:14

I Lack Heart
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Uncl said :
Actually TH is not the issue as you can see the drops you get. The issue is people buying bonds to stake or buy equipment to get drops, or buy food to get drops. TH is not the issue according to the EU.

And yes, the da would have to be banned first, then the wilderness second

You cant see what drops you get, its random. Else, prove your point and unbox 5 purple prizes on a row, thank you. If you are implying to the item list, there is only 6 chest to choose from but the list of items is more, therefor its random what you are going to receive and choosing the chest doesn't do anything. It may show purple prizes that you may receive that 'round' but no matter which chest you click it wont actually be there, so the purple prize shown on the list is merely to lure you.

If the list showed only 6 items from the 6 chests then it would be accurate but seeing 5 white and 1 yellow possible prize doesnt actually encourage you to open chests.

17-Sep-2019 09:55:09

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I Lack Heart said :
Uncl said :
Actually TH is not the issue as you can see the drops you get. The issue is people buying bonds to stake or buy equipment to get drops, or buy food to get drops. TH is not the issue according to the EU.

And yes, the da would have to be banned first, then the wilderness second

You cant see what drops you get, its random. Else, prove your point and unbox 5 purple prizes on a row, thank you. If you are implying to the item list, there is only 6 chest to choose from but the list of items is more, therefor its random what you are going to receive and choosing the chest doesn't do anything. It may show purple prizes that you may receive that 'round' but no matter which chest you click it wont actually be there, so the purple prize shown on the list is merely to lure you.

If the list showed only 6 items from the 6 chests then it would be accurate but seeing 5 white and 1 yellow possible prize doesnt actually encourage you to open chests.


Showing 6 items won't help either if you only have 1 or 2 keys.

17-Sep-2019 11:12:35

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Who cares that there's undeniably gambling in RS3 and as a result also I'm OSRS? Sure, the OSRS community copied the RS3 gambling in duel arena. Sure there's insanely OP MTX promotions that many players buy into and then RWT their winnings away. So what? As Dilbert said, it's fine and us RS3 players love the gambling in RS3! Most of us only play RS3 to gamble these days! 200M all skills, Trimmed comp Cape, MQC
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17-Sep-2019 11:51:00

I Lack Heart
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Jakey Boy said :
Who cares that there's undeniably gambling in RS3 and as a result also I'm OSRS? it's fine and us RS3 players love the gambling in RS3! Most of us only play RS3 to gamble these days!


Good for you, not sad to see you go after the gambling is taken away.

Even Church of England has condemned the lootboxes now and Jagex is not going to go against their word because even my previous account name Antichristt was removed.

'Addictive computer games are "casting a dark shadow over the colorful world of childhood play", the Church of England has warned.

The right reverend Dr Alan Smith, the bishop of St Albans, told the Telegraph that companies were “flooding” games with “harmful products” that were “gambling with children’s lives”.

The bishop is now calling on the Government to ban the sale to children of video game ‘loot boxes’, in-game features which dispense randomized digital items, describing them as a “gateway to gambling”.

His warning comes after Culture Select Committee last week said that the loophole in UK gambling legislation that allows loot boxes to be sold to minors should be closed.

In his comments to this paper, Dr Smith also issued a stern rebuke for the gaming industry, which he accused of “putting profit ahead of children’s lives”. He said: “Instead of continuously shifting the emphasis on to parents and children themselves, the industry needs to wake-up and start taking responsibility. Putting children’s lives ahead of their profit margins seems, to me, a pretty basic ask.”

In a comment piece for Telegraph, the Bishop also dismissed EA’s assertion that ‘loot boxes were “surprise mechanics” saying they were “not innocent toys”, and he questioned if a new gambling act was needed to protect children from the rise of such video game features. '


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17-Sep-2019 17:09:53

Dilbert2001
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Gluepot said :
Uncl said :
Actually TH is not the issue as you can see the drops you get. The issue is people buying bonds to stake or buy equipment to get drops, or buy food to get drops. TH is not the issue according to the EU.

And yes, the da would have to be banned first, then the wilderness second


Being able to see the drops does not remove the issue. Lootboxes are being looked at as a problem. Currently you know what you can get and sometimes what the chances of getting that are. Children are wanting the rare or very rare items, but don't understand the odds. So are spending lots to obtain the thing they want. This is why there is call to regulate them as gambling and introduce age restrictions.

DA is a separate issue. And it will need to be sorted at some point.


You are definitely wrong. Even in countries with loot boxes rules, they only require either relative rarities (e.g. Japan, Korea) or odds (e.g. China) to be revealed. No country has any specific gambling regulation with loot boxes. Not even in Belgium where it is case by case with 4 different criteria.

Furthermore in the case of the recommendation of the UK DMCS, they only asked for CONTENT of the games-of-chance to be revealed but not even odds or relative rarities.

17-Sep-2019 18:28:52

Dilbert2001
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Fake moons said :
I Lack Heart said :
Uncl said :
Actually TH is not the issue as you can see the drops you get. The issue is people buying bonds to stake or buy equipment to get drops, or buy food to get drops. TH is not the issue according to the EU.

And yes, the da would have to be banned first, then the wilderness second

You cant see what drops you get, its random. Else, prove your point and unbox 5 purple prizes on a row, thank you. If you are implying to the item list, there is only 6 chest to choose from but the list of items is more, therefor its random what you are going to receive and choosing the chest doesn't do anything. It may show purple prizes that you may receive that 'round' but no matter which chest you click it wont actually be there, so the purple prize shown on the list is merely to lure you.

If the list showed only 6 items from the 6 chests then it would be accurate but seeing 5 white and 1 yellow possible prize doesnt actually encourage you to open chests.


Showing 6 items won't help either if you only have 1 or 2 keys.


Not seeing your point.

17-Sep-2019 18:33:42

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