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Seasons Past
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The Mage Training arena garden might be an example of an area that can be accessed on F2P worlds, but only by members. I recall that when I've visited Armadyl's Tower on both F2P and P2P accounts, it seems that only P2P accounts were able to speak with Armadyl. However, if I had membership, my character was able to speak with him even if I was on a F2P world.
You may be on to something here. As Rikornak correctly stated, in general a member is treated the same way as a free player on free worlds. However, there are exceptions. For example, I have seen divine fishing bubbles placed on a free world that would be impossible for a free player to place.
As things stand right now, it is confirmed that free players cannot enter the MTA on a free world. We cannot pass through the entrance, and are told we have to be a member to do so.
However, I am not 100% sure this was always the case. I vaguely recall being able to access the ground level garden inside the MTA as a free player a long, long time ago. I couldn't access any of the activities, or any place beyond the garden - but I do think at one time we could at least enter the garden. Maybe I just dreamed it.
In any case, the entire building is now completely off limits to F2P.
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The Mage Training arena garden might be an example of an area that can be accessed on F2P worlds, but only by members. I recall that when I've visited Armadyl's Tower on both F2P and P2P accounts, it seems that only P2P accounts were able to speak with Armadyl. However, if I had membership, my character was able to speak with him even if I was on a F2P world.
You may be on to something here. As Rikornak correctly stated, in general a member is treated the same way as a free player on free worlds. However, there are exceptions. For example, I have seen divine fishing bubbles placed on a free world that would be impossible for a free player to place.
As things stand right now, it is confirmed that free players cannot enter the MTA on a free world. We cannot pass through the entrance, and are told we have to be a member to do so.
However, I am not 100% sure this was always the case. I vaguely recall being able to access the ground level garden inside the MTA as a free player a long, long time ago. I couldn't access any of the activities, or any place beyond the garden - but I do think at one time we could at least enter the garden. Maybe I just dreamed it.
In any case, the entire building is now completely off limits to F2P.
Aslon Dak: Still 'Scaping after 19 years!
You can buy XP. You can't buy experience.
"...From The 'Scape" is very nearly here.
04-Jan-2023 08:39:52
Aslon Dak
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However, I do see a potential problem. What about Hollowtoof's goblin raids? Depending on location, we can get seeds, clay and stone spirits, or logs from defeating these goblins. It would seem odd for the raiders to not drop logs when those are what they are after. What would they drop instead? Also, how about evil trees? I do like the noted logs we get for defeating an evil tree.
So yeah, I guess you could consider me undecided.
I think it's better to take the farming rework as a base, rather than the mining one for that instance. Herbs basically just were replaced by seeds at bosses. Everything else continues to award herbs as it always did, albeit they reduced the amount at some slayer mobs. A woodcutting rework could work likewise - reduced quantities from PvM (and also things like the flash events) and increased ones from WCing to compensate.
Aslon Dak said :
As things stand right now, it is confirmed that free players cannot enter the MTA on a free world. We cannot pass through the entrance, and are told we have to be a member to do so.
However, I am not 100% sure this was always the case. I vaguely recall being able to access the ground level garden inside the MTA as a free player a long, long time ago. I couldn't access any of the activities, or any place beyond the garden - but I do think at one time we could at least enter the garden. Maybe I just dreamed it.
In any case, the entire building is now completely off limits to F2P.
I tried out the MTA with a freshly created f2p account by now. There is basically no difference to my main here - I can get into the garden and I do see the magic trees (albeit that one can't even cut them due to its level obviously) and I can cut the regular trees in there. The building itself is locked up, but in here it's just about access to those trees and that one already is given. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
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However, I do see a potential problem. What about Hollowtoof's goblin raids? Depending on location, we can get seeds, clay and stone spirits, or logs from defeating these goblins. It would seem odd for the raiders to not drop logs when those are what they are after. What would they drop instead? Also, how about evil trees? I do like the noted logs we get for defeating an evil tree.
So yeah, I guess you could consider me undecided.
I think it's better to take the farming rework as a base, rather than the mining one for that instance. Herbs basically just were replaced by seeds at bosses. Everything else continues to award herbs as it always did, albeit they reduced the amount at some slayer mobs. A woodcutting rework could work likewise - reduced quantities from PvM (and also things like the flash events) and increased ones from WCing to compensate.
Aslon Dak said :
As things stand right now, it is confirmed that free players cannot enter the MTA on a free world. We cannot pass through the entrance, and are told we have to be a member to do so.
However, I am not 100% sure this was always the case. I vaguely recall being able to access the ground level garden inside the MTA as a free player a long, long time ago. I couldn't access any of the activities, or any place beyond the garden - but I do think at one time we could at least enter the garden. Maybe I just dreamed it.
In any case, the entire building is now completely off limits to F2P.
I tried out the MTA with a freshly created f2p account by now. There is basically no difference to my main here - I can get into the garden and I do see the magic trees (albeit that one can't even cut them due to its level obviously) and I can cut the regular trees in there. The building itself is locked up, but in here it's just about access to those trees and that one already is given. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention
05-Jan-2023 07:02:19
That sounds like an excellent solution to the goblin raid scenario, Rikornak. I am less likely to take on a raid when they're gathering logs just because dealing with the log stacks annoys me. Usually, I'll take the higher-tier logs and either burn or ignore the lower-tier logs. Reworking/reducing these drops works for me!
Is the garden not inside the MTA? Perhaps I am thinking of someplace different.
I have explored the forest immediately outside the MTA building in all directions. It appeared to me the magic trees are inside the building, not outside of it. Maybe my camera angle was off.
Then again, my depth perception is not what it once was.
Aslon Dak: Still 'Scaping after 19 years!
You can buy XP. You can't buy experience.
"...From The 'Scape" is very nearly here.
Is the garden not inside the MTA? Perhaps I am thinking of someplace different.
I have explored the forest immediately outside the MTA building in all directions. It appeared to me the magic trees are inside the building, not outside of it. Maybe my camera angle was off.
Then again, my depth perception is not what it once was.
Aslon Dak: Still 'Scaping after 19 years!
You can buy XP. You can't buy experience.
"...From The 'Scape" is very nearly here.
09-Jan-2023 01:57:49
Ok, now I see what you and Rikornak are talking about, Seasons Past.
This afternoon, after she finished her Daily Challenges, I asked Kristen to stop by the MTA to look for a magic tree. She passed through the outer gate and went to the magic tree in the northeast corner of the garden. For some reason, I thought it was inside the building, but it isn't. The magic tree is between the garden wall and the outside of the building. The doorway to the building's interior is not passable on free worlds, and the magic tree cannot be chopped on free worlds, even with a Woodcutting level of 75+.
This would make the solution of how to bring Woodcutting in line with Firemaking and Fletching even simpler than making the Varrock sewer resource dungeon available to F2P (which I still support). Just let any player chop magic trees, provided they have 75 Woodcutting or better. I still say it's ridiculous F2P can burn or fletch magic logs, yet cannot chop magic logs! It's an omission. Reminds me of the days before F2P got armored boots. "Behold the mighty warrior, clad from head to ankle in impressive rune armor - and check out those swell leather boots!"
Oh, how I used to mock Jagex for that.
Aslon Dak: Still 'Scaping after 19 years!
You can buy XP. You can't buy experience.
"...From The 'Scape" is very nearly here.
This afternoon, after she finished her Daily Challenges, I asked Kristen to stop by the MTA to look for a magic tree. She passed through the outer gate and went to the magic tree in the northeast corner of the garden. For some reason, I thought it was inside the building, but it isn't. The magic tree is between the garden wall and the outside of the building. The doorway to the building's interior is not passable on free worlds, and the magic tree cannot be chopped on free worlds, even with a Woodcutting level of 75+.
This would make the solution of how to bring Woodcutting in line with Firemaking and Fletching even simpler than making the Varrock sewer resource dungeon available to F2P (which I still support). Just let any player chop magic trees, provided they have 75 Woodcutting or better. I still say it's ridiculous F2P can burn or fletch magic logs, yet cannot chop magic logs! It's an omission. Reminds me of the days before F2P got armored boots. "Behold the mighty warrior, clad from head to ankle in impressive rune armor - and check out those swell leather boots!"
Oh, how I used to mock Jagex for that.
Aslon Dak: Still 'Scaping after 19 years!
You can buy XP. You can't buy experience.
"...From The 'Scape" is very nearly here.
10-Jan-2023 04:51:18
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