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Rikornak
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Rikornak

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https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/c=KSw5sioRJpI/117scapes-hd-plugin---update?oldschool=1

Here we go boys - OSRSHD available for most PC players on monday.

SlR said :


@ Rikornak - I see your point. The act of completing treasure trails isn't a big deal for some, but the wealth gained kinda is. And I agree, it's not as bad as it could be! I still think its pretty bad though and leaves an open door for 'worse' scripts.

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PS: I know clue scrolls arent a big thing to everybody, but to some they are. Saying its not a big deal because its only a small part of the game is like saying its OK to have a bot for 1 skill, as its only a small portion of the game. Not acceptable in my opinion.

You certainly *need* to understand what alt-1 is able to - and what not - especially in comparison to tools like runelite (use that as a substitute for any 3rd party client - legal or not). Runelite is able to evaluate information in real time and potentially even ahead of time (i.e. see a boss attack, that displays tiles before it even started the animation, just because it already had been calculated) and able to manipulate the 3D space - when it comes to treasure trails it exactly marks the tiles you need to go to for instance - since it literally is the client you're playing with - everything alt-1 does is giving you a rough map location where you have to dig. If you're not able to memorize the exact landmarks it doesn't help you too much - you're more efficient by working with the wiki, which has a screenshot for that aspect. Of course as soon as you have the experience - it's actually some help. I also had been able to solve the original sliders certainly faster, than the current ones with alt-1. But yeah - I said I demand of Jagex reverting this change (and all other detrimental ones) before even considering banning it. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

11-Sep-2021 06:35:03 - Last edited on 11-Sep-2021 07:03:05 by Rikornak

Rikornak
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Of course you don't know if this thing has a keylogger included or so - it's closed source - but if so it certainly wasn't abused by now - that would have given an outcry on reddit. And you certainly also only could start the program after everything's running. But no matter what - it can't directly influence what's going on in your client. Runelite for instance certainly is able to send data somewhere - there's a wiki plugin helping them to gather exact drop rates for basically everything. That's why the OS wiki has exact drop rates and we do not - only if Jagex posts them. Dunno if alt-1 could do something like that - somebody could check that if it sends data somewhere I guess. And most likely somebody also will have done that already.

Also when it comes to the value of puzzle skip tokens. They're worth 1.4m - that's a bit more than the value of your average trail. That's despite Alt-1 existing, so that certainly also speaks volumes.

I certainly love treasure trails (grand exception really are elites - they as is would perfectly fit in OSs general vileness - but all in all OS certainly has better elites than we do - also speaking volumes) - I did lots of them already before master clues were introduced and before Jagex made certain aspects more awful to acknowledge alt-1. This making them more awful wasn't an instant invitation for me to use this thing - but eventually it certainly was.

To be honest - I wouldn't include alt-1 as is into the main game, but a lot of aspects for treasure trails could be solved as ingame upgrades (like the keyless opening they've introduced last year). 2500 points for a solver for puzzles wouldn't be to unreasonable - not in terms of skipping them (that's what tickets are for), just telling you what to do so you're still spending time solving those things. And it certainly would be like the already existing TT progression mechanic - an update for that every once in a while doesn't hurt. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

11-Sep-2021 06:35:44 - Last edited on 11-Sep-2021 07:13:29 by Rikornak

SlR
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Hi, I've updated the
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list. Thanks for the reminder.

Well, the price of puzzle skip tickets could be for a whole bunch of reasons:
- how many there are & how much people are willing to pay
- I feel that they reflect the prizes won (chance at a +200m dye)
- list any others

There's a good chance you'll recupe 1m of the 1.5m ticket cost with a fortunate.
Of course if you just let Alt1 solve it for you, that doesn't matter, you're always +1m up.

PS

It has recently come to my attention upon further investigation of this software that it doesn't constantly screen grab your client (at least I dont think it does) it only screen-grabs when you tell it to - IE you click 'solve' and it screen-grabs to calculate what you need to do next.

So, its not 'as bad' as I thought! the risk of PVM/PVP next-move indicators would require constant screen recording (which this doesn't seem to do). Just thought I'd point that out to be fair to the thread. Note: I'm still against it, I'm just glad it has less power than I thought. Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

11-Sep-2021 11:24:42 - Last edited on 11-Sep-2021 11:33:33 by SlR

GhostlyBard

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Software that is not allowed includes anything that:

Tries to interact with our game worlds without logging in.
Tries to look at or change the communications between your device and our game worlds.
Performs things in-game for you that you're meant to be doing yourself.

Changes parts of our game. Copying the code we use to run our games is not allowed. Using edited versions of our game code is not allowed. Other software that shows pages or content from our website(s) must not be used to go to our website unless the software follows all of our other rules.
Repeatedly asks for information from our website or is extremely demanding on our website. Each page on our website should only load if you open the page yourself.
Gets around the normal steps used to log in. Any software should make sure you log in as normal to reach a game world.
Hides or supports the hiding of any of the adverts on our website.
Tries to make it easier to enter a busy game world than it would be for users not using the software.
Has its own chat feature separate from our game chat that does not follow our rules. If the software has a chat function, then it should make it very clear to users that this chat is not part of our games and is not official, supported by, or moderated by Jagex Limited ("Jagex" )This chat should still be moderated (just not by us), and the moderators should not allow chat that does not follow our rules set out on this page. Silver or gold crowns should also only be used to identify moderators in the official game chat.
Uses any of the unacceptable features specifically banned in our Message About Unofficial Clients which can be found here. (Link only works on Rules page). Check out Thieves guild layout redesign. Happy ‘scaping

14-Sep-2021 15:58:01 - Last edited on 14-Sep-2021 16:03:10 by GhostlyBard

SlR
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Thanks to Si1verCloud!

Updated Rules:

MACROING AND THIRD-PARTY SOFTWARE/HARDWARE
People also call this ‘botting.' It means using software or hardware that can help you play the game with the software or hardware doing things for you that you should be doing yourself . Our games are meant to be played by humans - if you cheat, you are likely to be banned, even if it is the first time you have broken the rules.

The people and companies who make cheating software do not care about your game account. They may lie to you and say that the software they offer ‘can not be detected‘ or is ‘ban proof’. This is not true. Jagex employ a team of people whose job it is to identify when players are cheating and the same team are always improving the tools they use so that all types of cheating can be detected.

If you have any doubt that something you are thinking of using could be considered breaking this rule, our advice is to not use it. Play the game yourself , making sure you are in control of everything. It is simply not worth taking the risk.


Uses any of the unacceptable features specifically banned in our Message About Unofficial Clients which can be found here - https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/a-message-about-unofficial-clients?oldschool=1
- Link to OSRS thread.

Performs things in-game for you that you're meant to be doing yourself
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If by 'perform' they mean 'auto click' then Alt1 may have dodged a bullet

Is this ^ performing something for you in-game that you should be doing yourself?
- I'd personally say so! but we all have our different opinions here.


we don’t want players to be left in constant fear of possible bans, so we’ll give advance warning if any additional features are being considered for the list
- That's fair enough

It might just be a case of waiting for the unaccepted features list to include 'next-move indicators' then Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

15-Sep-2021 09:43:02 - Last edited on 15-Sep-2021 10:06:50 by SlR

Knightfire

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I can see that you REALLLY REALLLY hate alt1... you have written so much and so seriously...#

I dont think that its macro as long as it doesnt click on its own to play the game. it uses screen output data and the algorithme on its own figures out what to do. its doesnt see the code of the nxt client. its just taking constantly screenshots and figures out what to do. sometimes you have to take a screenshot on your own for the program.

According to your argumentation and be more radical... runescape.wiki should be banned too because it tells people how to play? In my opinion Alt1 is just like an advanced rs wiki. on rs wiki you can also type in your username and it shows which skills and quests you already did for that particular quest. should rs wiki be banned too because it helps you with key aspects of the game that you should as a player figure out on your own?

15-Sep-2021 14:34:17 - Last edited on 15-Sep-2021 14:38:27 by Knightfire

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