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Immortalized
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SlR said :
Immortalized said :

Oversimplifying with 'just' 'only' 'merely' 'barely' 'hardly' etc. might make it easier to attack an argument (by removing important nuances) but you can't purport to have disproven it in it's entirety without responding to the rest of the discourse.

That said... "you can open the clue solver url manually and if you provide it the same image that alt1 grabs from the Runescape game window it will solve it in your browser." True. You can. But is that really the same thing as a dedicated program that does it with 1 click within your Runescape client? or on-top-of it / with click-through transparency (same effect).
they both perform the same thing. one just has more convenience by requiring less action from you and guiding you onscreen. the end result of both is i know how to solve the puzzle.

i do not see a difference in opening a browser and running the clue solver there vs running it on a toolkit that automatically takes screenshots of the game for me. one is more convenient that is all, in the end both have the same effect and neither are cheating as defined by jagex. Buy Zemomarks / Chromatic Partyhats safely here

13-Jan-2022 18:33:12

Iron Castle
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Nay
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I actually think it should be integrated into the game, I'd even pay monthly for it.

Some people have busy lives, I personally use alt1 for it's AFK Warden feature, allowing me to focus on my work and only look at runescape when it pings me to click on the game

It's clue features arn't cheating, they are just an aid. you still need to click 150+ Times of which when doing clues alot is a painful experience, I still use skip tickets sometimes because of this.

Also it would be impossible to ban people for using alt1 without breaking the privacy of runescape users, as the software does not touch runescape. Therefore they would need to scan open apps, which would open a can of privacy worms Jagex doesn't want.

13-Jan-2022 18:44:02

Draco Burnz
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Iron Castle said :
Nay
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I actually think it should be integrated into the game, I'd even pay monthly for it.

Some people have busy lives, I personally use alt1 for it's AFK Warden feature, allowing me to focus on my work and only look at runescape when it pings me to click on the game

It's clue features arn't cheating, they are just an aid. you still need to click 150+ Times of which when doing clues alot is a painful experience, I still use skip tickets sometimes because of this.

Also it would be impossible to ban people for using alt1 without breaking the privacy of runescape users, as the software does not touch runescape. Therefore they would need to scan open apps, which would open a can of privacy worms Jagex doesn't want.

I could support something like this.

I mean jagex is trying to integrate some of the 3PC features of osrs into the vanilla client.
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14-Jan-2022 11:02:03 - Last edited on 14-Jan-2022 11:02:15 by Draco Burnz

SlR
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They might achieve the same thing but in different ways, and the way in which alt1 operates is what is the issue. A program that sits over your client, that can see where you are or what you need to do in game and present the solutions via clickable indicators? Does that not look a bit iffy? If it were any other game that'd be classed as a cheat.

You assume they cannot detect Alt1? Sure they can, people are solving these things at a record pace with 99% accuracy, they know when someone has used Alt1. This game has been around a very long time, imagine all the data they've collected on player ability. They could look at gameplay pre-alt1 to compare. Anyway, I think it'd be easy to spot.

Sure, they could 'just be good', OR they could just be using AI to paint-by-numbers this game. When a player makes zero mistakes and solves multiple clues with the minimum amount of steps required; it should flag non-human behaviour. Runescape is not home to world-class slide-puzzle solvers, lets be real.

So, what can we do? Ideas: inject more puzzle skip tickets to reduce Alt1 downloads? Jagex could implement their own version of Alt1? What if they ban the technology (screen readers with clickable indicators) to deter future iterations?

My stance is: we don't need auto/AI puzzle solvers, end of. We need more patience, less greed and the integrity to play this game the way it was intended, by humans. I wonder how low the price of puzzle tickets would have to drop for Alt1 to lose it's appeal? - And even if puzzle tickets did drop to 500k, for example, would players stop using it? or would they just think 'I can save 5m per 10 clues using Alt1' instead of the current 23m saved per 10 clues. Because that's essentially what it is, a puzzle box skipping ticket bypass (money-maker/saver).

Alt1 (and other on-screen clickable indicator overlays) only make this game easier... for the sake of making it easier ... (or to give players an edge over those that don't use it). Bob says:
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14-Jan-2022 12:25:37 - Last edited on 14-Feb-2022 11:35:53 by SlR

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I always enjoyed doing clue scrolls, and the puzzles. It's like a miniquest of sorts. But I don't even bother to do them anymore unless it's for yak track. Knowing that others are, and have been for years, skipping over them, in sometimes seconds, is just a big downer. Why go through the work anymore? I've been on the fence for a year or two or so, on downloading Alt1, but with the luck I have, I'd be the one that gets hacked, or screwed over in some way.

I was pretty sure that giving players an unfair advantage over another wasn't allowed? But it's also free for anyone to use, and risk using, so there's technically no unfair if anyone can use it. Maybe some years from now there will be another clue rework, and things will be fixed, and or changed. Maybe even make the rewards super meh like treasure hunter did to feathers and springs.


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13-Feb-2022 10:10:14

Mel 624
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This does seem like it gives an unfair advantage in optimizing time and gameplay performance in ways following a guide wouldn't. It's also less accessible than one since it's more than just opening a browser to a favourited website.

It just doesn't seem fair to have a program specifically designed to outline steps to follow on a randomized piece of content. The best guides can do is give general advice on the mechanics and maybe a list of patterns and variables painstakingly compiled by multiple players to help players as a communal effort. A guide just can't match that kind of efficiency.

To be fair it would have to be an in game feature everyone has access to. How to block a forum user

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14-Feb-2022 07:51:53

Draco Burnz
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Mel 624 said :


To be fair it would have to be an in game feature everyone has access to.

Yet everyone does have access to it.

Please tell me where this is restricted in any way besides personal?

Everyone can download it if they please, so the only "restriction" is ppl choosing not to download it.

Thus a personal restriction.
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Mel 624
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Not everyone in the game has access to it. First they need to find out it exists and does what it does, find the site it's on and then download it. Players shouldn't have to rely on third party programs to be on the same level as other players. Not only is it a security risk but anything outside of a game that offers players an advantage for using it is generally considered cheating and banned, such as with the chess example.

If you want it to become a feature in the game then ask for it in Suggestions. Only the game's actual content is truly accessible to the entire player base. How to block a forum user

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15-Feb-2022 10:43:18

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