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Draco Burnz
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Mel 624 said :
Not everyone in the game has access to it. First they need to find out it exists and does what it does, find the site it's on and then download it. Players shouldn't have to rely on third party programs to be on the same level as other players. Not only is it a security risk but anything outside of a game that offers players an advantage for using it is generally considered cheating and banned, such as with the chess example.


If this were the truth then ppl shouldnt have to rely on wiki as its 3rd party too.

Yet as its been stated throughout this thread, ppl use it quite a lot.

Thus point is null.
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15-Feb-2022 11:52:07

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The 'real' cheats are open-source / available to all. I don't think that makes a difference.

I didn't know Alt1 was a thing until 2019 when a friend showed me it in action. I remember asking "can you not get banned for using this?" then when he said "no" I laughed. At the time I was taking a break from RS and it made me feel good about it. If I had been wasting my time manually solving clues whilst everyone else were steamrolling through them using a 3rd party program, I don't think I'd have been too happy. I just worry what the next 'legal cheat' will be that'll devalue the time I've put into this game.

I guess it's all relative. When you see something like Alt1 for the first time it's a bit of a shock, but then you see everyone else using it and then it doesn't seem as bad? It reminded me of the days when dice games (gambling) plagued RS, that was allowed but was not 'right'.

When I was a kid we had 'player handbooks' you could buy for games you were struggling with; I consider that similar to Wiki or YT tutorials. They're informative / educational. Alt1 is more like a 'cheat cartridge' you plug in. People say it doesn't interact with the game but it does, it captures real-time game output to feed you the next step via clickable indicators.

Alt1 might not 'input' or 'click for you' but it automates the cognitive side. With Alt1, you press 'solve' and then play a game of whack-a-mole with your mouse cursor and the pop-up indicators it throws on your screen. Alt1 uses AI to solve dynamic content, something Wiki & YT cannot do.

PVM/PVP with AI calculating your next move using clickable on-screen indicators will be next - If we allow this kind of technology. It's just not good for the game (IMO)

Can we stick to discussing how the program works, and whether or not it should be considered cheating? I understand Wiki and Yt help people solve things quicker but comparing them to Alt1 is like comparing a paper map to using sat-nav in your car. Bob says:
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15-Feb-2022 14:06:18 - Last edited on 16-Feb-2022 12:20:35 by SlR

Mel 624
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Draco Burnz said :
Mel 624 said :
Not everyone in the game has access to it. First they need to find out it exists and does what it does, find the site it's on and then download it. Players shouldn't have to rely on third party programs to be on the same level as other players. Not only is it a security risk but anything outside of a game that offers players an advantage for using it is generally considered cheating and banned, such as with the chess example.


If this were the truth then ppl shouldnt have to rely on wiki as its 3rd party too.

Yet as its been stated throughout this thread, ppl use it quite a lot.

Thus point is null.

I was referring to the accessibility of game features provided by the game itself vs features provided by third party programs. Youtube, the wiki etc aren't providing features, they're functionally guides meant to help you learn about an aspect of the game you may have trouble with. Regardless of what you learn from them, you still have to apply that information yourself at about the same rate as if you already knew before looking it up.

Jagex has also made the wiki more accessible to all players by directing players to it as a helpful resource and providing a way of searching it from within the game itself. They also made an in-game title given to major contributors to the wiki, which encourages the community to engage with it.

They also encourage the community to engage with Twitch and Youtube through Twitch promotions and livestream events and have made some updates over the years meant to help livestreamers stream the game. How to block a forum user

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15-Feb-2022 23:19:38

Draco Burnz
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Mel 624 said :


Ok yet this still doesnt disprove that wiki has been and always will be a 3rd party site.

So why ppl can get angry over 1 but not another is beyond me.

Jagex doesnt own either yet just because one is featured ingame it gets a free pass.

Thats some pretty poor logic right there.
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16-Feb-2022 11:42:22

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Thnx for not disproving anything like everyone else.

What part of jagex not owning it thus its 3rd party is soo hard to understand?

If one should get banned, i say all must be banned.

There shouldnt be any favoritism going on.
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16-Feb-2022 23:12:10 - Last edited on 16-Feb-2022 23:14:44 by Draco Burnz

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Mel 624 said :
. Youtube, the wiki etc aren't providing features, they're functionally guides meant to help you learn about an aspect of the game you may have trouble with.

thats the same as alt1, its a guide.
using alt1 myself for 2850 easy clues, i ended up not needing alt1, i had learnt all clues off by heart. alt1 being the guide to helping me learn where they are.

before alt1, before wiki etc, i used a notepad and back then my notepad helped me learn where and what each clue was. alt1 just removed the need to write stuff down or open another tab.

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17-Feb-2022 09:00:05

Draco Burnz
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Tenebri said :


thats the same as alt1, its a guide.
using alt1 myself for 2850 easy clues, i ended up not needing alt1, i had learnt all clues off by heart. alt1 being the guide to helping me learn where they are.

before alt1, before wiki etc, i used a notepad and back then my notepad helped me learn where and what each clue was. alt1 just removed the need to write stuff down or open another tab.

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Exactly.

Thus i dont see why ppl want to constantly open new tabs whenever they want to use a guide?

This is far more streamlined so.
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17-Feb-2022 11:37:53

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It's not really hard to see the action Jagex should take. By using these features the players are obviously stating the game does not deliver so they must go elsewhere to make it playable.

The devs responsibility is to steal those features for their own use and improve the game for all users, not just the select few who are prone to downloading cheats.

Their lack of action is a huge red flag. The company is only encouraging people to continue cheating in the future.

And oh, it seems so normal when everyone is doing it.

Still not right. Still not acceptable.

Edit: in some cases I would say the dev responsibility is to update the content so it doesn't need to be cheated. Jagex is so far beyond that, it's a ludicrous thought.

17-Feb-2022 13:20:36 - Last edited on 17-Feb-2022 13:33:57 by Roddy Piper

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Draco Burnz said :
Thnx for not disproving anything like everyone else.

What part of jagex not owning it thus its 3rd party is soo hard to understand?

If one should get banned, i say all must be banned.

There shouldnt be any favoritism going on.

That's just because you dont want to see the disprovement.

There's also some form of contract between Weird Gloop (the organisation of the Wiki) and Jagex, so it's already debatable if the Wiki is even third party.

That creates quite a difference between
A) a site that can teach and inform the player, has a contract with the game developers, and these game developers actively supporting this site with in-game links,
and
B) some software that completes things for you except the actual clicking (which seems to be the very fine line that separates it from full botting), has no contract whatsoever with the game developers, and the game developers not advertising it at all ("use at your own risk" is basically all they say about it).

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