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Draco Burnz
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Kings Abbot said :

There's also some form of contract between Weird Gloop (the organisation of the Wiki) and Jagex, so it's already debatable if the Wiki is even third party.


Well until Jagex comes out and outright states that this is true, its nothing more than a baseless rumor.

Thus the wiki is still considered 3rd party until such time arises.

Kings Abbot said :

That creates quite a difference between
A) a site that can teach and inform the player, has a contract with the game developers, and these game developers actively supporting this site with in-game links,
and
B) some software that completes things for you except the actual clicking (which seems to be the very fine line that separates it from full botting), has no contract whatsoever with the game developers, and the game developers not advertising it at all ("use at your own risk" is basically all they say about it).



Love how you also dont see how what you say here in part b is 100% false.

Its been stated throughout this thread Alt1 doesnt do anything for you besides help you out.

Just like wiki.

So instead of having to be forced to open a separate window just to use a guide, you can use it ingame.

Thus why you want ppl to be forced to go out of their way to have to use a browser for a guide is beyond me.
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17-Feb-2022 23:18:01

Kings Abbot

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Calling me a liar huh?

https://runescape.wiki/w/Forum:Leaving_Wikia#Who_is_running_the_wiki?_How_much_are_Jagex_involved?

"We’ve signed an agreement with Jagex, allowing us to use their trademarks properly and form a partnership with them to host the wikis."

Does that seem like a baseless rumor?


Also, haven't you paid any attention to the discussion? That clue solver is absolutely nothing like the wiki. Deny all you want, it won't make you right. Kings Eastwood in
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18-Feb-2022 16:08:57

Draco Burnz
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Kings Abbot said :
Calling me a liar huh?

https://runescape.wiki/w/Forum:Leaving_Wikia#Who_is_running_the_wiki?_How_much_are_Jagex_involved?

"We’ve signed an agreement with Jagex, allowing us to use their trademarks properly and form a partnership with them to host the wikis."

Does that seem like a baseless rumor?


First off, please dont try and start anything and put words in my mouth as i never called you anything.

Secondly, until both sides say something about this, for all i know this could be a hoax.

Either way, we're both going OT as this isnt about who does/doesnt run the wiki.

Kings Abbot said :
That clue solver is absolutely nothing like the wiki. Deny all you want, it won't make you right.

Deny all you want but its been proven throughout this thread that it is.

So i guess atm we've reached an impasse.
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18-Feb-2022 22:38:50

Kings Abbot

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Draco Burnz said :
until both sides say something about this, for all i know this could be a hoax.


LMAO!
Here 's the newspost from Jagex themselves announcing the collaboration,
and here the forum page with its discussion, with plenty of Wiki editors explaing stuff legal- and financial-wise.
Would have been quite an elaborate hoax, and if it was wrong, Jagex would have removed that info from their own forums.
Jagex doesn't tell much about the behind-the-scenes, but that's not really something the players need to know anyway. It's all on that Wiki page, which Jagex can edit too (they're encouraged to edit anonymously if they find mistakes, like evrybody else).

Draco Burnz said :

Deny all you want but its been proven throughout this thread that it is.


Even bigger LMAO!!!
You're comparing Apple products to the colour orange and saying they're the same. How do you think you can be taken seriosuly? Kings Eastwood in
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19-Feb-2022 10:53:19

Draco Burnz
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Kings Abbot said :


Even bigger LMAO!!!
You're comparing Apple products to the colour orange and saying they're the same. How do you think you can be taken seriosuly?

Same way you think you think so.

Just because you dont like it, doesnt mean it isnt true.

Its harmless for the game and for w/e reason ppl just have beef with it just like they do stone spirits.
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19-Feb-2022 11:49:46

SlR
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Anyway...

Both wiki and alt-1 give an advantage to players, but in very different ways. Maybe we ought to focus more on the 'ways' in which players can get an advantage over others and debate what 'fair' gameplay is. To start, where do we draw the line with it? if we can use alt-1 / screen-readers with clickable next-move indicators (that use AI to process randomised content), what about in other areas of the game such as boss fights or even pvp? Does this tech stop at clues, or can it be used elsewhere in game?

For me, Runescape should be played by players. Gameplay is just as much (if not more) about cognition as well as hand-eye coordination. Letting a computer (ai, script, program, etc.) play half of the game for you is not fair play. I've already mentioned the wealth (saved/gained) 'thing' with puzzle-skipping tickets so I wont badger on about that. People don't just dislike Alt1 "for w/e reason" just as those in support of Alt1 are not all biased with vested interests... There are clearly strong views on either side, neither right or wrong so lets keep it civil! Bob says:
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19-Feb-2022 15:42:39 - Last edited on 02-Mar-2022 16:56:29 by SlR

Draco Burnz
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SlR said :


For me, Runescape should be played by players. Gameplay is just as much (if not more) about cognition as well as hand-eye coordination. Letting a computer (ai, script, program, etc.) play half of the game for you is not fair play. I've already mentioned the wealth (saved/gained) 'thing' with puzzle-skipping tickets so I wont badger on about that. People don't just dislike Alt1 "for w/e reason" just as those in support of Alt1 are not all biased with vested interests... There are clearly strong views on either side, neither right or wrong so lets keep it civil!

Last i checked even with alt1 players still have to do the input thus are still "playing the game".

So alt1 isnt doing anything for you at all besides reliving you of guess work.

Still havent gotten an answer as to why you ppl expect other to use a browser for something that can be done ingame.
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19-Feb-2022 18:15:58

Pip Mc
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Of course it's cheating! All of these external softwares are. Watching RS streamers with all of their not-actually-part-of-the-game advantages they have is shocking.

It's cheating. I think A Cole described it quite well on Page 2.

Even these things showing you the exact tile to stand on and when. That's cheating.

Convenience/time saving is a weak argument. It'd be "convenient" for you to use a bot, or "save time" with bug abuse that makes you catch 10 fish instead of one.
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01-Mar-2022 18:34:46

Draco Burnz
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Pip Mc said :
Of course it's cheating! All of these external softwares are. Watching RS streamers with all of their not-actually-part-of-the-game advantages they have is shocking.

It's cheating. I think A Cole described it quite well on Page 2.

Even these things showing you the exact tile to stand on and when. That's cheating.

Convenience/time saving is a weak argument. It'd be "convenient" for you to use a bot, or "save time" with bug abuse that makes you catch 10 fish instead of one.


How exactly is it "cheating"?

Its nothing like a bot and it only does as much as the wiki does but ingame.
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01-Mar-2022 23:55:07

Kings Abbot

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Not this comparison between Apple products and the colour orange again! We went over this already.

If all you have to do is click the spot a program visually tells you to, you have basically become a bot. If the software clicked as well, it would be full on botting. That's a line waaaaay too thin to be comfortable with.

With the Wiki you still have to interpret the info there (especially with randomised content) and your game screen yourself. You are still playing the game, not a random program you downloaded from the internet (and could one day become a security hazard). Kings Eastwood in
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02-Mar-2022 16:33:31

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