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Tenebri
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SlR said :
Tenebri said :
Jimeous said :


ALT-1 doesn't play Runescape for you...



we have been explaining this from the start
You're implying nobody understands where you're coming from, but they do, they just don't agree with it.

nope didnt imply anything, just said this is what we have been doing from the start. 38 pages worth, nothing has changed. so repeating something that doesnt work, is futile
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04-Apr-2023 08:39:43

SlR

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Tenebri said :
Jimeous said :


ALT-1 doesn't play Runescape for you...

we have been explaining this from the start

Explaining, stating your opinion as fact, implying people don't understand, yada yada. We know your stance: if it doesn't auto-click then its fine. But not everyone agrees with that.

Tenebri said :

nope didnt imply anything,
It's no big deal, we all imply things. I'm just saying... consider that people already understand what you're saying (but might not agree with it). And elaborate if you think they don't. Also, if you don't like the amount of pages on a thread then stop contributing to it with comments like these O_o

You'd do better responding to what others have written. A lot of players have voiced their opinions on this and there's quite a few unique responses! It's a shame many of them were left without a response from the other side. If you think it's an open/shut case, or if the answers are simple, it should be easy for you, so crack on!

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04-Apr-2023 11:07:37 - Last edited on 29-Jul-2023 13:04:17 by SlR

Tomato 56789
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Free bump. Any third-party software that puts those not willing to risk their account at such a disadvantage shouldn't be allowed.
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29-Jul-2023 01:55:59

Valxx
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I honestly think the only people that truly care about people using alt-1 are mainscapers that just care about chasing that gp stack. Everything I keep seeing is about "just buy a puzzle skip ticket if you want to bypass it." why? So that you can just make a quick buck off tickets some more? What about he irons that can't just go buy skip tickets? We love having the puzzle slider because otherwise hards would just never get done. Past that it isn't really that useful for clues if you've done enough and remember locations.
When it comes to bossing, yes, sometimes I think it's a little wild we can use it for timing and things. But do people really use it at every boss? No not at all. I only ever use it as Croesus because the timings for it are a little whack and missing mid sucks because you need those max points.
The only people I ever see griping and complaining in this game are mainscaper whining about gp. Get over yourself. Botting is cheating. Not alt-1. I've been on the side of no alt-1 where we had to keep a nice color coated rotation guide for bosses on my other screen. While it's not as easy to follow, it's also not hard or much different than alt-1 being there to tell me. Only difference is I don't have to look at my other monitor anymore. And even if alt-1 got banned, guess what would come out shortly after? Alt-2. Then 3. 4. 5. etc. Banning alt-1 won't fix your gp chasing issues. Get over yourself.

29-Jul-2023 21:56:47

Tomato 56789
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You can buy puzzle skip tickets with treasure trail points and hards award quite a few of them. I personally sell my puzzle skips as I do sliders quickly, and I use way fewer knot skips and costume skips than I receive from hards. I skip almost every knot with tickets, I only get knot skips from hards, and I sell half of mine but still have enough for when I do elites. Hards would still be more than doable. I don't use Alt-1 and unless I'm chatting with my clan the sliders take me about 30 seconds lol.

The problem with alt-1 is the auto triangulation with compass clues, and the features that assist with scans.

Apart from the screen overlays which are pretty much cheating, it's third party. That constitutes account risk regardless of how much it's vouched for. It's a RuneScape related program that isn't owned by Jagex. Ergo people who take account security seriously are put at a disadvantage against those who are willing to take risks with third-party RS features.
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29-Jul-2023 23:52:06

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This whole thread feels like a debate in between flat earthers and globers. Also there's some weird logic behind all these complaints.

"It hurts my economical gain by inflating the market with Clue items."
This assumes prices will only go down, which they are not. Following this logic, anything that is not an in-game item but increases the amount of clues solved, is also a cheat. For example: smartphones.
If you don't think having a phone is cheating then you don't actually care about this exaggerated "economical disadvantage". They are the same: something that is accessible to most to increase your clue solving potentials, yet could be disregarded by choice.

Some people here be like: Do you have something I don't own by choice which gives you advantage? I call it a cheat. Why? Because it's unfair from my perspective despite I put myself into that situation.
I already know most of you won't think that phones are cheating despite it can technically be called a "p2w clue solver booster".

"It solves the puzzle for you." / "It's an unfair advantage compared to normal players."
Maybe. There's no competition though, the only thing that is "cheated" is time. Is that the issue? The little time? Why are we comparing? Also refer to point 1 if it's "gold".

"It's a security risk."
Maybe. So is everything else that is installed/connected to the internet.

"It's not approved by Jagex, therefore it's not something they advise using."
Maybe. Let's try again with the polar opposite: it's not banned by Jagex, therefore it's a program they know it won't hurt. Both sentences can be true. What now?

Once you guys establish what actually is "cheating" and define it properly, one day this thread can have a conclusion. Until then, everyone will twist their words to fit their agenda.

19-Aug-2023 20:44:54 - Last edited on 19-Aug-2023 20:47:14 by Kisszuperman

Tenebri
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Luzi Fur said :
How is Alt1 different from Runelite, which is not only specifically approved by Jagex, but is literally supported through the Jagex Launcher?


it has lesser of an impact than runelite.

1. its literally just an overlay.
2. it does about 5% of what runelite does.
3. no plug ins

these are 3 rather big points that make different to runelite. lol ;P
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