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Rikornak
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SlR said :
Anyhoo, I expect 3rd party software in OSRS, that game is a bit of a wild-west.


That is just not the case - while we have here a 'it's totally fine for you guys to use this specific tool', that's basically it - we're rather technically restricted in what is possible. OS has a clear guideline about what's fine and what not and there are enough things, which would be 'technically possible', but will end up in a ban - that basically starts with using any client, that's not on their approved list, but even before that was a thing they've forbidden - like telling you what do at any given point in a boss fight, which is technically possible and was quickly acknowledged by RL and that other approved client.

That process is way more elaborate, than this mix out of 'they just don't care' and 'they make it more awful, so it's closer to the originally intended experience, as long as you're using that tool '. The other side is, they can't even know you're running it, since it doesn't directly affect your client (thus being less potent in the first place) - and thus couldn't enforce a ban.

Ideally they would address the issues players are using those tools. The OS team is a bit lazy and just doing 1:1 ports of select features (I said it before - if they were to disable 3rd party clients as a whole, OS can be shutdown in a couple of weeks - so of course that's not an option), but RS3 could find much better solutions for that - as I said - some RL-esque (not that alt-1 thing) slider solver for 2.5k TT points wouldn't be off. Something similiar for other clue things, that aren't that popular. And even a dedicated API would be better - since yeah, they actually could define, what they certainly wouldn't want to see ingame that way.
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Real time or not I still think stuff like Alt1 is unfair and shouldn't be treated as a normal and expected thing for people to use. A more tightly regulated API setup that both ensures a permitted third party addon meets standards and are safely and readily accessible to players without having to hunt it down over the internet would be a better way of handling third party additions. They should also be cosmetic in nature rather than shortcuts to content, as that's generally a sign of missing QoL improvements for the game itself. If Treasure Trails had QoL updates addressing the problems players have with it then they wouldn't be so reliant on third party programs to get through them. How to block a forum user
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17-Jan-2023 04:47:00

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ALT-1's website has a Clue Solver where you just need to paste Screenshots to, so you don't need to install ALT-1 for it.

Which means you will also propose banning using sites like was done in the past for anyone that used Quest Guides, heck AFK-ing was once bannable.

Keep this in mind...

ALT-1 doesn't play Runescape for you...

So whether you install ALT-1, use ALT-1's Website or use other Websites for solving clues, all of those methods require a person to actively interact with RS3.

If any of those methods had a major affect on Clue Drops then the prices would be way cheaper BUT, Clue Drops are random and most people don't like doing them so prices are stable and the rares tend to be very high.

For resource gathering, it has been RS3's new content that has nerfed prices due to them introducing bosses that drop a huge amount of certain ones.

30-Mar-2023 04:57:35

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Hi Jimeous, welcome to the thread.

"Guides" (I'm not sure Alt-1 falls into this category, but I'll say it does to avoid semantics) can be both helpful and harmful for video games, depending on how they are used.

ALT-1's website has a Clue Solver where you just need to paste Screenshots to, so you don't need to install ALT-1 for it.

Which means you will also propose banning using sites like was done in the past for anyone that used Quest Guides, heck AFK-ing was once bannable.


They're not the same so I wouldn't propose that. Using their website is 'the lesser of two evils' but I personally wouldn't use / support them. What's wrong with using Youtube or the Wiki? Again, this comes down to manual vs assisted vs automatic solving. Alt-1 is auto.

ALT-1 doesn't play Runescape for you...

So whether you install ALT-1, use ALT-1's Website or use other Websites for solving clues, all of those methods require a person to actively interact with RS3.


'Playing the game' is more than you just physically clicking. We're tasked with processing information. Alt-1 takes that away and replaces it with whack-a-mole clickable on-screen indicators. If it can be used for clues, it can (and will) be used for other things. No bueno!



If any of those methods had a major affect on Clue Drops then the prices would be way cheaper BUT, Clue Drops are random and most people don't like doing them so prices are stable and the rares tend to be very high.


There are way too many things at play to be certain of that. This is speculation but I'd assume prices would change a fair bit if fewer caskets were being found thanks to Alt-1. That said, it's not really a concern I have, everything is relative. The issue I had, regarding 'that' was you can make way more money letting a script (alt1) do the heavy lifting, more than any guide could.

And by 'guide' I mean anything that teaches you.
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30-Mar-2023 08:46:21 - Last edited on 30-Mar-2023 09:41:46 by SlR

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Jimeous said :


ALT-1 doesn't play Runescape for you...



we have been explaining this from the start

its now 38 pages. people cant change mind on things, this is one of them

even though op doesnt do clues so cant understand the impact, he still has his mind set this is cheating. with no experience in it
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Immortalized said :
don't think this is fair considering runelite exists for osrs and does dramatically more


definitely.

if alt1 was to go, runelite would 100% have to go considering how much more it does lmao. its literally a new client, not an overlay

and errr i dont osrs community be happy with that
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30-Mar-2023 18:41:07

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WOW!, you think Alt 1 is cheating? OSbuddy(former bot script devs made it and it's P2W, yes arround 5$ a month, then Runelite was designed and its features are free. Not to mention that special attack bar activator beside map, yes, not an overlay....

Alt 1 is an automatic 'guide' and btw that clip is wrong, it's way faster than that if you click the ends of the squares in a row, they will all slide at once instead of clicking each tile to go same way. each slider 20 seconds or less. :P

Also Runelite clue solver, also displays which tile to dig while your idk...1 mile away? lol gotta love these overlays that can detect one tile, you can't even render yet.

I think alt 1 is safe from being 'un-allowed', we all know 85% of OSRS will be upset if those clients are banned, ban one, have to ban all.

jagex is sadly check mate on this issue, but honestly not really an issue. Clue scroll markets are high even with people using alt1 to speed them up.

Unless your sitting on 15+ dyes and hoping for them to increase in price further via alt 1 being banned, i see no benefit to anyone. clues with alt1 only profit 4-20million an hour if really lucky. you also have to account for the time gaining said clues, so now that number is less.

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Jagex trusted and allowed a former bot dev team to design OSbuddy(monthly fees for the OP features), i trust alt 1 dev for trying to make the game better, it was started with DG Key which marked dungeoneering key doors for faster floors.

Don't want to use Alt 1, that is your loss. I'v made billions using it. clues wouldn't even be worth my time without it. I would yes, continue to do them but to chain a stack of 50 over and over, no. maybe 50 here and there depending how high clue items skyrocket.

02-Apr-2023 11:09:35

SlR
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Tenebri said :
Jimeous said :


ALT-1 doesn't play Runescape for you...



we have been explaining this from the start

You're implying nobody understands where you're coming from, but they do, they just don't agree with it. Gaming is both mental and physical. Just because the program doesn't 'click for you' doesn't make everything else it does OK. It's that logic that has allowed it to fly under the radar. Educational guides such as youtube and wiki are not comparable to these one-click 'solve' automation scripts, where you're just the mechanical operator. We're lucky ALT1 is only known for solving clue puzzles (in-game skip tickets are 3.5m now btw), because the exact same overlay technology could be used to ruin PVP or give people competitive advantage in PVM. And what would stop them (adapting such a script) if everyone went off the logic of 'something else is worse, therefore it's OK' as long as it doesn't click for you.

You're comparing two different programs (one recognised, one not) with two different games (one heavily polled, one not). The old "two wrongs don't make a right" saying comes to mind.

Just because OSRS has something 'worse' doesn't make it OK for RS3, to have an equivalent that is not advertised anywhere by Jagex either ingame or via their website. If those are your only arguments in support of using ALT1, it'll take you some time convincing people. I'm more interested in talking about how the program operates and whether on-screen clickable indicators ought to be considered as a form of cheating. Especially when it pertains to dynamic (player specific / random) content. But nobody seems to want to talk about this.
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02-Apr-2023 11:58:25 - Last edited on 02-Apr-2023 12:31:43 by SlR

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I think it's a good point because the rules on cheating would be the same in osrs and rs3. runelite is a custom client that lets you literally alter how the game renders and adds additional personal content to help you play. they even have little mods that tell you what tiles to click when fighting bosses and what to do, etc. if jagex is ok with that, then there's no way they would have issue with a 3rd party tool that just draws on top of the client, considering that they allow a custom client that literally draws on the game world

I think you would have much better point if you were arguing that runelite should be illegal or considered cheating. but the fact is that jagex doesn't consider it, so something lesser than that can't be a problem, or it at least shouldn't be. these are still fundamentally the same game, just one is a fork from several years ago
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