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Alt1 should be banned! Y/N?
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Indy Cision
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At least now you've admitted in a post that this is purely about banning Alt-1, and not (as argued previously) about any of the specific utilities/tools that it provides players.
Plot Twist: SLR has his own set of tools but people stopped using it and moved to Alt-1
Haha, that would be funny! "pesky alt1, taking all the marketshare! (donations)"
- Alas, no... I don't trust any third-party programs with my account details.
- The gains/advantage aren't worth the risk. Also 'integrity' ya know...
Hmm? Tools can exist for multiple reasons, their 'wants' may be necessitated by positive or negative factors, in this case: greed, advantage, or to simply make the game easier, all of which don't seem too positive. I know it probably feels good to bypass spending 1.6m on a skipping ticket, but do you not feel like you're cheating those who buy them?
I understand your point on 'unfair advantage' comparing old Runescape to Runescape now. But that's their decision, it's intentional. I don't think Jagex intends for everyone to use Alt1. And if they did, there'd be no competitive advantage only an easier game. The alternative is to try and reduce the amount of people using it. That'd restore the level playing field, make the game more competitive and potentially reduce accounts hacked by these TPP /scripts.
If you let third-party programs automate everything (bar clicks) they'll just keep making the game easier. Eventually 'Alt1scape' will become the norm. Then Alt2 will come out to make 'Alt1-scape' easier. Etc. When would it stop? A: When players start quitting. After realising their time spent has diminishing returns / their time invested is half the value it was, thanks to the allowing of real-time indicator scripts. It's hard cheating, like next-move chess cheating.
Reckon people will ever say 'OK, we've made it easy enough, no need to look for anymore advantages / easier ways to play this game' - I think not Bob says:
At least now you've admitted in a post that this is purely about banning Alt-1, and not (as argued previously) about any of the specific utilities/tools that it provides players.
Plot Twist: SLR has his own set of tools but people stopped using it and moved to Alt-1
Haha, that would be funny! "pesky alt1, taking all the marketshare! (donations)"
- Alas, no... I don't trust any third-party programs with my account details.
- The gains/advantage aren't worth the risk. Also 'integrity' ya know...
Hmm? Tools can exist for multiple reasons, their 'wants' may be necessitated by positive or negative factors, in this case: greed, advantage, or to simply make the game easier, all of which don't seem too positive. I know it probably feels good to bypass spending 1.6m on a skipping ticket, but do you not feel like you're cheating those who buy them?
I understand your point on 'unfair advantage' comparing old Runescape to Runescape now. But that's their decision, it's intentional. I don't think Jagex intends for everyone to use Alt1. And if they did, there'd be no competitive advantage only an easier game. The alternative is to try and reduce the amount of people using it. That'd restore the level playing field, make the game more competitive and potentially reduce accounts hacked by these TPP /scripts.
If you let third-party programs automate everything (bar clicks) they'll just keep making the game easier. Eventually 'Alt1scape' will become the norm. Then Alt2 will come out to make 'Alt1-scape' easier. Etc. When would it stop? A: When players start quitting. After realising their time spent has diminishing returns / their time invested is half the value it was, thanks to the allowing of real-time indicator scripts. It's hard cheating, like next-move chess cheating.
Reckon people will ever say 'OK, we've made it easy enough, no need to look for anymore advantages / easier ways to play this game' - I think not Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.
09-Sep-2021 11:34:03
SlR
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Indy Cision said :
At least now you've admitted in a post that this is purely about banning Alt-1, and not (as argued previously) about any of the specific utilities/tools that it provides players.
Plot Twist: SLR has his own set of tools but people stopped using it and moved to Alt-1
Haha, that would be funny! "pesky alt1, taking all the marketshare! (donations)"
- Alas, no... I don't trust any third-party programs with my account details.
- The gains/advantage aren't worth the risk. Also 'integrity' ya know...
Alt1 does NOT have your account details.... Remember Caz. Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Indy Cision said :
At least now you've admitted in a post that this is purely about banning Alt-1, and not (as argued previously) about any of the specific utilities/tools that it provides players.
Plot Twist: SLR has his own set of tools but people stopped using it and moved to Alt-1
Haha, that would be funny! "pesky alt1, taking all the marketshare! (donations)"
- Alas, no... I don't trust any third-party programs with my account details.
- The gains/advantage aren't worth the risk. Also 'integrity' ya know...
Alt1 does NOT have your account details.... Remember Caz. Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
09-Sep-2021 23:46:51 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2021 23:56:13 by C a z
C a z
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Alt1 does NOT have your account details....
@ C a z - Agreed, it doesn't have your account details, when you don't use it!
@ Jeremy Cheng - Done! thanks for the
@ Rikornak - I see your point. The act of completing treasure trails isn't a big deal for some, but the wealth gained kinda is. And I agree, it's not as bad as it could be! I still think its pretty bad though and leaves an open door for 'worse' scripts.
It's about integrity also, why is it OK for some players to use a computer/program to play their game for them? You can gain way more wealth with Alt1 / affect the economy (something we all share) than the ordinary 'human' player. Humans VS Humanoids (Alt1).
I feel like nobody wants to address this, it's like you know its wrong but aren't bothered. The time you spend today is going to be worth half tomorrow, as scripts make the game easier over time. People wont stop looking for ways to get a competitive edge.
I don't know what to think about the OSRS-HD shut-down to be fair, it doesn't seem to cause any harm. I'm glad they did what they did though, it's a warning to any third-party devs - nothing is guaranteed, it's not your game to do as you please, etc. Though I will say the HD thing on OS does look good, shame they can't just join RS3 (lol) it has much better graphics
- I know, I know, they don't play it for that.
PS: I know clue scrolls arent a big thing to everybody, but to some they are. Saying its not a big deal because its only a small part of the game is like saying its OK to have a bot for 1 skill, as its only a small portion of the game. Not acceptable in my opinion. Bob says:
Alt1 does NOT have your account details....
@ C a z - Agreed, it doesn't have your account details, when you don't use it!
@ Jeremy Cheng - Done! thanks for the
support!
@ Rikornak - I see your point. The act of completing treasure trails isn't a big deal for some, but the wealth gained kinda is. And I agree, it's not as bad as it could be! I still think its pretty bad though and leaves an open door for 'worse' scripts.
It's about integrity also, why is it OK for some players to use a computer/program to play their game for them? You can gain way more wealth with Alt1 / affect the economy (something we all share) than the ordinary 'human' player. Humans VS Humanoids (Alt1).
I feel like nobody wants to address this, it's like you know its wrong but aren't bothered. The time you spend today is going to be worth half tomorrow, as scripts make the game easier over time. People wont stop looking for ways to get a competitive edge.
I don't know what to think about the OSRS-HD shut-down to be fair, it doesn't seem to cause any harm. I'm glad they did what they did though, it's a warning to any third-party devs - nothing is guaranteed, it's not your game to do as you please, etc. Though I will say the HD thing on OS does look good, shame they can't just join RS3 (lol) it has much better graphics
- I know, I know, they don't play it for that.
PS: I know clue scrolls arent a big thing to everybody, but to some they are. Saying its not a big deal because its only a small part of the game is like saying its OK to have a bot for 1 skill, as its only a small portion of the game. Not acceptable in my opinion. Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.
10-Sep-2021 09:58:19 - Last edited on 10-Sep-2021 12:13:55 by SlR
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