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Alt1 should be banned! Y/N?

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SlR
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https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/c=zXg38LtF02c/third-party-hd-clients-statement?oldschool=1

It looks like they're cracking down on third-party clients! Massive respect Jagex.
I know this is a graphical thing, but maybe it's a sign of things to come?

For those sad about 'all the work' put in by third-party devs - It was risky to start a project like that in the first place. How about they donate their code? They might even get credit for it and expedite a few updates. If they want to improve the game, and hopefully not profit off it, then why not? or is it all about that donation money? *cough 'alt1' cough*

It's way better that people just play on clients that Jagex release. It's safer and fairer to have everyone on the same playing field. There is no way to be safe with third-party programs. The owner might be legit today, but what if he/she sells out? to somebody with ill intentions? There is no way to know and they're getting harder and harder to detect. It's just not worth the hassle. Don't enter your account details anywhere other than Runescape.com or the official clients. Simple as.
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06-Sep-2021 08:12:27 - Last edited on 08-Sep-2021 18:03:59 by SlR

Indy Cision

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SlR said :
https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/c=zXg38LtF02c/third-party-hd-clients-statement?oldschool=1

It looks like they're cracking down on third-party clients! Massive respect Jagex.
I know this is a graphical thing, but maybe it's a sign of things to come?


They asked people who were developing clients that replaced the graphics inside their applet to stop, because they were creating new graphics themselves.

I know you have a bee in your bonnet about Alt-1 specifically (otherwise this thread wouldn't have the same title) but you keep going off on tangents about clients vs external apps.

"Don't enter your account details anywhere other than Runescape.com or the official clients"? Again, nothing to do with the product you're targeting in this thread :(

If you're going down the route of account security, there are browser extensions and tampermonkey scripts and all sorts of things which could potentially make entering your details on runescape.com itself a risk. You could have just used a simpler "Be careful and exercise due diligence with what you're downloading or installing and make sure you have MFA etc. just like you should be already doing with any other online accounts that hold value" rather than attempting to target anything specific.

08-Sep-2021 23:46:04

Indy Cision

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Ran out of space in previous post.

For example, you specifically should definitely not be downloading Alt-1, as your apparent lack of knowledge about it in the threads made it obvious that you haven't investigated how or what it does. You should very sensibly stick to only using the official client and not download or install anything from any unauthorised sources, or follow any links to unknown sites.

Everyone should stay within their "comfortable safe zone", whatever that extends to.



There is no relevance between the OSRS HD Graphics Clients decisions and RS3 with external utilities. RS3 tools exist because they are useful utilities that do not change or manipulate anything within the game to do so, they wouldn't need to tell Alt-1 to stop doing x y or z if RS3 developers added that functionality into the game - because it just wouldn't be needed in the external utility any more.

08-Sep-2021 23:58:32

Tenebri
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SlR said :
https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/c=zXg38LtF02c/third-party-hd-clients-statement?oldschool=1

It looks like they're cracking down on third-party clients! Massive respect Jagex.
I know this is a graphical thing, but maybe it's a sign of things to come?



update.

https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/third-party-hd-clients-statement-update?oldschool=1

seems they are in talks to allowing it, until they release their own... so doesnt seem to be "cracking down on 3rd party clients" as you put it. its clear they allow them.

and if they allow runelite, alt1 is nothing compared. and yes as you stated before it was just the HD aspect of it. but wasnt them cracking down on the client itself. it was just something they didnt wish to have someone else do for them.

its very clear they allow runelite to be used, and you saw the uproar from the community about them saying no to a HD plugin. if they say no to alt1, that is nothing to runelite, then its highly unlikely they will get alt1 banned.

the only time it will be is when their own clients are close to or on par with these clients / overlays. that includes clue solvers. otherwise the community will riot like they are now.


so yeah can you really see people being happy if alt1 is bannable? when that would mean they would have to do the same to runelite. with the reaction just the hd plugin has caused

these clients are helping runescape. its clear from both your threads you want it gone but its just not good for the game in the long run. as lots of people would quit.
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09-Sep-2021 00:44:24 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2021 00:49:42 by Tenebri

C a z
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Jesus wept, just looked up what runelite can do.....and all you are moaning about is alt1 puzzle solver :O

Lol it even has a puzzle box solver.

Don't think I can take you seriously now!
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09-Sep-2021 01:27:31 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2021 01:29:51 by C a z

SlR
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I'll reply properly when I'm on the PC, I'm on mobile right now.

C a s ? Just because something else is worse doesn't make it OK. Make a thread about runelite if it concerns you, and I'll support it.

Tenebri, yeah maybe not 'cracking down' but at least they are being affirmative with their action. And if cheaters quit because they are not allowed to cheat, I'm personally not bothered in the slightest.

Indy cision, they do throw in a few above board features, how could they not, they would be glaringly obviously cheats if they didn't.

Correction - this is just a graphical thing for OSRS and may not affect our alt1 situation on rs3.
Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

09-Sep-2021 01:48:09 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2021 01:59:14 by SlR

SlR
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MentollyEel said :
lol yea what C A Z said, do you not have anything to do but complain about a clue solver ? I used to go on a third party website to solve my celtic knots for me.

I do have better things to do, thanks, especially when it's replying to people who leave short un-constructive comments. That's easy, have a go at the main points of this thread please.

I know its fun to be pedantic and build strawmen, translating what people say into rhetoric you're able to argue with, but come on, do you not have better things to do?

Please respond to the main points of this thread -

Players that use third-party programs such as Alt1 gain an unfair advantage. This affects the Runescape economy (in the case of clue solver) and bypasses ingame mechanics (skip tickets / 1.6m) which is supposedly against the rules. Alt1 uses scripts that calculate what a players next move should be. It does this by using an 'overlay' which acts like digital tracing paper. Allowing the player to click real-time 'indicators' on screen that transfer through into the real game. The scipt records your unique Runescape whereabouts (for automatic triangulation of dig spots) and other variables, to provide 'seemingly' in-game aids (as it sits 'above' the client). Alt1 uses visible indicators to tell the player where to click and when, taking all thought out of the process. Players are able to solve randomised/dynamic content (intended to be done by the individual themself) at record speeds. The result is 5x more cluescroll rewards (some of which could be 200m+ in RS gold). And future implications of this same 'next move indicator' technology is that it will be used for bossing or PVP (if it is not already being used for that). It'd hard to detect, jeopardises account security and doesn't need to be a part of Runescape.

Play the game how it was intended.
Bob says:
A bank PIN will keep your items secure.
Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

09-Sep-2021 09:36:31 - Last edited on 09-Sep-2021 09:37:43 by SlR

Indy Cision

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SlR said :
C a s ? Just because something else is worse doesn't make it OK. Make a thread about runelite if it concerns you, and I'll support it.

Tenebri, yeah maybe not 'cracking down' but at least they are being affirmative with their action. And if cheaters quit because they are not allowed to cheat, I'm personally not bothered in the slightest.

Indy cision, they do throw in a few above board features, how could they not, they would be glaringly obviously cheats if they didn't.


You have already affirmed that you are pretty much happy with pretty much all the functionality Alt-1 lets you have, you just don't like that it is easier to use because it shows it as a heads-up display. Copy and paste your screenshot into a webpage next to your client that solves it and displays/plays the solution is OK, its only when you make that page unclickable and transparent and put it on top of your client so you can see it in the same place that you say its unfair.

You keep going on about cheaters, but it really isn't your place to define what is actually cheating - you mention gambling and flower games as a "it was fine and they made it against the rules" but argue that following rules is not the same as cheating (and that was nothing to do with unfair advantage, it was to do with massive RWT) - and they *changed the game* where possible so that that gambling didn't have the same abundance of in-game objects that could be used to do it.

At least now you've admitted in a post that this is purely about banning Alt-1, and not (as argued previously) about any of the specific utilities/tools that it provides players.


Plot Twist: SLR has his own set of tools but people stopped using it and moved to Alt-1 ;)

09-Sep-2021 09:39:08

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