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Alt1 should be banned! Y/N?

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Bradinat0r
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If you understand fully both my posts, it's a bit of both but more so the "done for you" aspect. I'm done discussing and ranting about it at this point. It should have never been acceptable to use. For everyone to stay up to par they are forced to use it and nobody cares.

02-Sep-2021 18:42:36

Daddy Roshi
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nobodies "forced" to use it if u dont wanna use it dont use it its as simple as that i use alt1 but not for the puzzle solver i can do the puzzles myself there are plenty of other things u can use alt1 for everyone just wants to single out the clue solver because they feel "its unfair to people who solve the puzzles themselves" without talking bout any of the other features it has its all completely biased
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02-Sep-2021 21:03:43

Tenebri
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Bradinat0r said :
, it's a bit of both but more so the "done for you" aspect.


thats fair enough, was just curious

if you are going to discuss more i just have one follow up question. incase you do come back to the thread as you said you are done with it.

so if it was apart of the nxt client, you wouldnt use it?
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02-Sep-2021 21:20:15

C a z
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It's a shame this question is in game content suggestions, as it isn't in game content.

I know the last thread was closed as it was more a discussion on whether Alt1 was cheating, but this thread and it's title I feel would get more attention in the general forum.

Just my opinion.

Also the list which has been changed to pending may not get the same audience in this forum.
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03-Sep-2021 00:31:55 - Last edited on 03-Sep-2021 01:03:48 by C a z

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I agree. We got to 350+ posts in General. A lot of thought and time went into it (from everybody involved). We had some good debates going on at one point, both for and against, but the few always ruin it for the rest. I won't name names.

And no, it's not because their views didn't align with mine, it's because they were quite clearly avoiding everybody elses points. They essentially hijacked the thread, to talk about whatever they felt was more important to them, whilst loosely staying on topic.

It's a bit of a shame it's gone, but the way it was headed didn't look good. I think
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It was fine to post this question thread in the General Forum, to gather opinions and input from others. However, it seems you have completed your research and drawn your conclusions. If you wish to propose that third-party overlays be made against the rules, then you are best off making that suggestion in the
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03-Sep-2021 10:47:17 - Last edited on 03-Sep-2021 11:09:28 by SlR

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It is slower but you are still getting quite a few responses, it’s already been discussed at length so that’s possibly why.

I will add and this is entirely my own perspective here but if a game got to the point where I felt something like this was needed, I simply wouldn’t play it. Instead finding something else that had all the systems in place already to make it enjoyable.
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03-Sep-2021 14:09:40

Rikornak
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I made a bit more of my mind for the whole thing. You can add me to a neutral negative (i.e. neutral with a minus sign or so) list for that.

Overall I will demand of Jagex to revert *everything* they did to acknowledge the existence of alt-1 before taking any action that goes into the direction of forbidding it. Every single change was done to slow down users of alt-1, but has hit players NOT using thrice as hard - and probably gotten even more players to use it.

This includes:

- Puzzle sliders have to be reduced to be solveable in 40-esque steps again with an optimal solution - like they always were from 2004 up to 2018. Since players hardly are able to perform that, it probably still will be a nerf for them.
- Those additional hard clues introduced in 2018 always resulting in a slider, should have have the slider removed. I can fully agree with the clues themselves existing, since they actually would provide variety - but as they currently stand, they were solely introduced to make treasure trails more awful for everybody.
- Likewise those 'big' celtic knots for elites should be removed again - literally the same issue. Alternative: Compensation for having to do something like those - see below.
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04-Sep-2021 06:56:20 - Last edited on 04-Sep-2021 07:03:21 by Rikornak

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Additionally we need to tackle the issue, which caused players to look out for such a tool in the first place - elite clues.

- Elite clues need to have the amount of slider puzzles (even in their pre-2018 form, because that *literally* was the issue of getting players to something like this) drastically reduced.
- Even with that drastically reduced amount of sliders - sliders and 'big' celtic knots - and (while not entirely related to alt-1) other more awful to do clues - like wilderness ones - need to provide multiple steps for clue completion at once. Additionally wilderness clues will never trigger a fight or puzzle, but provide 2 steps at once. They're significantly more awful to do than other clue steps on that level - so they have to provide something for compensation. I am certainly not calling for entirely removing it like ice dungeon or chaos tunnel scans.
- I even would do that for hard clues - if it results in a slider at the end - you'll get 2 steps at once.

There probably are even more issues, but that's it for now. I know that was a bit off-topic, but I think it's important to question why players are using this.

Generally I still do not think, that this tool causes too much of trouble - since even the small TT prizes in RS3 are more valuable than ever - and I trust Jagex to do countermeasures if they should drop - there are more slots for alch hydrix jewellery for instance. But if forbidding it, Jagex has to tackle the issues having made players creative in the first place. And yeah - if it comes to mandatory tools - compare that to playing OS with the official client vs. playing it with runelite...
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04-Sep-2021 07:02:35 - Last edited on 04-Sep-2021 07:38:25 by Rikornak

Bradinat0r
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Daddy Roshi said :
nobodies "forced" to use it if u dont wanna use it dont use it its as simple as that i use alt1 but not for the puzzle solver i can do the puzzles myself there are plenty of other things u can use alt1 for everyone just wants to single out the clue solver because they feel "its unfair to people who solve the puzzles themselves" without talking bout any of the other features it has its all completely biased


Ok, lets talk about these other features since im being "biased". The moment it captures the text clues, slider puzzles, celtic knots, tower puzzles, lockboxes, compass clues, and master clues on your screen it already has it solved in that instant. You click the "unlock any" button and just like that you are solving clues in mere seconds verses minutes for your normal player not using alt1. Lets not tunnel on just elite clues because it solves just about anything. You just got to spend the time on scan clues zipping around with your movement abilities. How much more insight do you need? I didn't feel like going into more detail but here we are.

I solved my last few clues with it to see how fast it truly is. Supporter or defender, it's undeniable that this is a mega clear advantage that sure felt like a cheat to me. Anyways, it's one of those what's done is done kinda things. Tons of people have already took that advantage for so long so, to do something now would be to take that very same opportunity away from anyone now. Yea, I understand people gonna defend it since they feel its acceptable because how long its been acceptable to jagex. Everyone has their right to an opinion so please don't slander me for it.

04-Sep-2021 13:31:54 - Last edited on 04-Sep-2021 13:49:04 by Bradinat0r

Daddy Roshi
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Bradinat0r said :
Everyone has their right to an opinion so please don't slander me for it.
im not slandering u for anything ur absolutely right everyone has a right to their own opinion about it im not arguing about that and when i say other features im not just talking about the clue solver thats all anyone has been focusing on this whole topic i use alt1 but not for the clue solver i dont need help with solving a puzzle if i do ill buy a skip its whatever

everyones problem is it solves puzzles for u then just ignore that fact that u can just buy a skip ticket or use the excuse "well jagex added them to the game so thats fine" so if they do add alt1 to the actual game then its fine? or are u still gonna complain that its "cheating"?

i like alt1 for other features like the afk warden because i be afk a lot mostly skilling so its nice to not have to pay as much attention theres one thing that everyone thinks makes it unfair ignoring all the other things on there

if u dont like it thats fine u do u but personally i think theres nothing wrong with it which i think it shouldnt be banned

srry if this is off-topic SLR
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