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XSlay4DeathX
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@Draco Burnz, that is flawed to the max.

Just because 400 people support something, and 100 don't, doesn't mean the 400 are right.....There is less smart/logical people on this earth than idiots....reason our world is on the decline.

I value my time, we don't get much of it sadly. Time saved beats time wasted. If jagex didn't allow OSRS OP clients and they said these were bannable, i would gladly forgo the use of such as i value my account.

But to allow one and not the other infringes on my anti-bias views. If they want to ban alt 1, they can ban OSbuddy and RuneLite as well.

25-Apr-2022 06:58:08

Mel 624
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Just because people were trying to counter a P2W bot affiliated program doesn't mean RL is squeaky clean. If RL has genuinely useful functions that don't offer players an advantage over others but other things that do then they can have the latter removed. Allowing plugins requires responsible oversight and guidelines on what is and isn't ok for them to do. That's not just for the PVP cheats but also in terms of things like features that emulate or give access to things from the game you're supposed to unlock without having to or bypassing content like with the clues. Cosmetic stuff that just alters the presentation of already available information would still be fine.

The calculator metaphor doesn't really work here. If something requires you to do the work in long form and demonstrate that you truly understand it, then it would be considered cheating. They can and do ban the use of calculators for certain tests. For clues, you need to do the work to earn the prize.

I doubt the people complaining about it are doing it to sell existing prizes at a higher price. A lot of them have lost motivation in even doing clues and are expressing genuine concern over the state of the game. It's not about selling dyes.

The possibility of people trying to find workarounds to removing a 3rd party program doesn't justify not doing anything about it to address a problem. I also mentions earlier in the thread that a number of QoL improvements to clues would reduce the need for external assistance. I addressed a few of them already in my thread, including the Towers one. How to block a forum user

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25-Apr-2022 06:58:34

Draco Burnz
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XSlay4DeathX said :
that is flawed to the max.

Just because 400 people support something, and 100 don't, doesn't mean the 400 are right.....There is less smart/logical people on this earth than idiots....reason our world is on the decline.

I value my time, we don't get much of it sadly. Time saved beats time wasted. If jagex didn't allow OSRS OP clients and they said these were bannable, i would gladly forgo the use of such as i value my account.

But to allow one and not the other infringes on my anti-bias views. If they want to ban alt 1, they can ban OSbuddy and RuneLite as well.

The thing is, is that jagex pretty much cant and wont ban RL at this point as theyd lose a good portion of the osrs playerbase and not to mention they are working along side the creator thus theres no reason too.

So if they could only come to the same understanding about Alt1, then everything would be peachy.
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25-Apr-2022 10:50:48

XSlay4DeathX
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@Mel, calculator metaphor is 100% the same. I can do these puzzles just fine but takes time, i can also do these math problems without a calculator but takes time.

Even the towers on master clue release i did them legit for first 3 masters then i used a solver online as alt 1 wasn't updated. I even downloaded an app for my phone to do towers, they are fun. But in game where i require billions, i don't have time to waste doing puzzles without a solver.

Clue rewards are only good if you do them fast. you only get 17k-300k average. wages range from 3m-15m an hour.
easy 1-2mins
med 3-4mins
hard clues takes 2-5mins each
elites 8-12mins
master 4-5mins

You also have to factor in the time getting those clues. It makes less than PvM, more than afk skilling. I don't see the issue. Only issue i see is us clue scrollers drove the price of teleports up to 20k+ on some scrolls to do these ASAP.

Looking at the current prices, each LOTD/grace is 81m, i made 3.6b+ at 34Meach so clues are the money atm. Last one i sold was 71m.

^these will only go way higher banning alt 1. Haven't really been playing much past 2 years so no idea what caused the spike in demand.

Also i'll be 100% truthful, i don't know anyone that doesn't use alt 1, afk warden is also nice, alarm goes off so you know when you stopped fishing, seren spirit spawns or about to lobby.

Also the interval settings on the clip is very slow, i run 0.28 :P . I have very good precision at max mouse speed, it takes practice. About 20seconds per slider. celtic knot 5seconds. towers about 12-24seconds easy to misclick on wrong number in the drop down. That other puzzle from masters 2-4 seconds.

Also OP states each clue is 1.5m. i wish i gained a fort comp each clue. Starting at picking flax/mining pure ess for 100k an hour to 1.5m steady each 2-5mins, I would be living it :)

I have gotten under 100k 4 times in a row before, also gotten 2 shadow dyes within 70 clues, It's all RNG.

25-Apr-2022 13:40:37

XSlay4DeathX
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Draco Burnz said :
XSlay4DeathX said :
that is flawed to the max.

Just because 400 people support something, and 100 don't, doesn't mean the 400 are right.....There is less smart/logical people on this earth than idiots....reason our world is on the decline.

I value my time, we don't get much of it sadly. Time saved beats time wasted. If jagex didn't allow OSRS OP clients and they said these were bannable, i would gladly forgo the use of such as i value my account.

But to allow one and not the other infringes on my anti-bias views. If they want to ban alt 1, they can ban OSbuddy and RuneLite as well.

The thing is, is that jagex pretty much cant and wont ban RL at this point as theyd lose a good portion of the osrs playerbase and not to mention they are working along side the creator thus theres no reason too.

So if they could only come to the same understanding about Alt1, then everything would be peachy.
I know, so only verdict is allow Alt 1 to avoid the bias.

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Also Alt 1 is used by dungeoneers for selling floors and teams that want to share the map labels with each other , Alt 1 was known for DG Key app.

25-Apr-2022 14:37:42

SlR
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Using a script (that plays part of the game for you) to generate wealth is an issue in my eyes. Bob says:
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Always check the second trade screen.
Never trade in the Wilderness!
Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.
Never give your password out to anyone.

25-Apr-2022 15:02:50

Kings Abbot

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Mel 624 said :

The calculator metaphor doesn't really work here. If something requires you to do the work in long form and demonstrate that you truly understand it, then it would be considered cheating. They can and do ban the use of calculators for certain tests.

They don't just ban calculators for some tests, I've had classes where doing exercises with a calculator wasn't allowed (I got a serious tirade from a teacher because I didn't know when I took it and quickly put it back). Kings Eastwood in
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25-Apr-2022 16:43:02

Mel 624
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@XSlay4DeathX

In this metaphor, the clues are an assignment where you're supposed to demonstrate you understand the material and the process of obtaining the answer. Alt1 is a list of all the test answers to write out without actually having to do the work.

When you get tested on your math, it's not just about getting the right answer but also demonstrating you understand the process necessary to get it. That's why points get docked when you don't lay out all the steps to solving the equation. The answer is only part of what's being evaluated and they'd have no way of knowing how you actually got to it without showing your work. Most of your grade isn't coming from the answer itself and cheating is a 0.

If your only way of finding a piece of content enjoyable is by skipping it then it's not for you. By that logic it'd be fine for players to bot their way to 99 or through bossing because it saves them time and optimizes profits beyond what they're capable of when actually doing the content themselves. That kind of reasoning is very harmful to the game.

I suppose your stats are helpful to illustrate the problem and just how much of an unfair advantage players get when using it. For the approximate value of clues, keep in mind that no matter what value is agreed on, Alt1 users are getting a lot more faster than regular players, as that's the whole reason people are using it.

IIRC the dyes are in demand because they help with keybinding different versions of augmented items for different loadouts without getting confused for eachother. Fixing the keybind coding to be able to tell them apart without dyes would likely drop the prices back down. QoL improvements to Treasure Trails to address most people's problems with doing them normally would also likely drop prices by increasing the number of players who are willing to do them. Alt1 hardly plays some vital role in the economy. It's just that other things need to be addressed to balance things out. How to block a forum user

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25-Apr-2022 22:40:47

Draco Burnz
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XSlay4DeathX said :

I know, so only verdict is allow Alt 1 to avoid the bias.

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Also Alt 1 is used by dungeoneers for selling floors and teams that want to share the map labels with each other , Alt 1 was known for DG Key app.

Exactly.

So hopefully this'll happen sometime soon so we can put all of this behind us.
Draco Burnz
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25-Apr-2022 23:17:35

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