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SlR
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If you rely on Alt 1 you don't deserve the rewards ;)
Correction: you don't deserve the EXTRA rewards the program grants...

Jokes aside, would it not be better to suggest they make parts of the clue puzzle easier? for those that struggle? if the puzzle skip tickets aren't enough that is. We can all solve them, some faster than others, and that's fine. Be patient and play the game the way it was intended and quit looking for short-cuts. As soon as Alt-1 becomes 'the norm' people will be looking for the next short-cut. It's a slippery slope! Ya never know, the new Launcher may include it.
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18-Apr-2022 16:17:52 - Last edited on 18-Apr-2022 16:25:46 by SlR

Mel 624
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The recurring grievances with Alt1 in relation to Treasure Trails is a large part of why I created a thread to improve Treasure Trails. While it comes up a lot in relation to Alt1, this thread is more about Alt1's possible uses and the ways they're too harmful to the game to make it something players should be allowed to use.

For the Treasure Trails side of things, whether Alt1 is banned or not we need to talk about the ways it can be improved to reduce people's reliance on external sources to complete them. That's the core of why so many people either depend on Alt1 to solve them or feel they're too much of a waste of time to bother with.
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Draco Burnz
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SlR said :
If you rely on Alt 1 you don't deserve the rewards ;)
Correction: you don't deserve the EXTRA rewards the program grants...


Id say if ppl rely on YT/wiki they dont deserve any rewards either.

SlR said :


Jokes aside, would it not be better to suggest they make parts of the clue puzzle easier? for those that struggle? if the puzzle skip tickets aren't enough that is. We can all solve them, some faster than others, and that's fine. Be patient and play the game the way it was intended and quit looking for short-cuts. As soon as Alt-1 becomes 'the norm' people will be looking for the next short-cut. It's a slippery slope! Ya never know, the new Launcher may include it.


Nope if anything, the rs3 mods should take a page out of the osrs mods books and add some of the programs of alt1 to the rs3 client.

Thus the ppl who want to use it can and you lot dont have to cry about it being 3rd party anymore.
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18-Apr-2022 22:10:08

SlR
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Draco Burnz said :

Id say if ppl rely on YT/wiki they dont deserve any rewards either.
You only have to watch/read a guide on how to solve clues a few times and then you can solve them by yourself. Alt-1 being used for each and every clue people 'solve' : different.

Draco Burnz said :

" Thus the ppl who want to use it can and you lot dont have to cry about it being 3rd party anymore.
The issue isn't about it being third-party, it's about how it operates. I think you've been missing the point these past few months as you keep repeating what has already been responded to.
Runelite is just as bad (if not worse from what I've been told) but this thread is about Alt-1.

Mel 624 said :
This thread is more about Alt1's possible uses and the ways they're too harmful to the game to make it something players should be allowed to use.
Thanks Mel, I'm glad someone gets it.


How is this not considered game-altering? If you type Alt-1 into Google, the suggested queries are a sign of what people think of Alt-1. "Is Alt-1 allowed", "Is Alt-1 bannable", it's clearly a concern. Can we say the same for Youtube and Wiki? (rhetorical question btw).

Mel 624 said :
we need to talk about the ways it can be improved to reduce people's reliance on external sources to complete them. That's the core of why so many people either depend on Alt1 to solve them or feel they're too much of a waste of time to bother with.
Agreed. I'm all for them reworking clue puzzles, if they feel that will deter script-use.
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19-Apr-2022 10:45:29 - Last edited on 19-Apr-2022 11:11:06 by SlR

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SlR said :
The issue isn't about it being third-party, it's about how it operates.


Once again, if it gets added to client, im sure jagex can have a talk with the creator and see about make it "better" so it can suit everyones needs.

I mean im sure thats what they might do with the osrs add-ons thus no reason the same logic cant be applied here.
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19-Apr-2022 11:21:05

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That could work, yes. I personally see the two games as separate but that's really just an opinion I have and doesn't count for much. I guess we'll have to wait and see! If it does get added I'll be a bit disappointed but at the same time I probably wouldn't be surprised either. Bob says:
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19-Apr-2022 12:26:01 - Last edited on 19-Apr-2022 12:26:24 by SlR

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I say Alt 1 shouldn't be banned. If jagex allows runelite in OSRS, alt 1 is very x100 minor. I spend millions on teleports. Clues are strictly RNG based, sometimes you make 50k in 5-12mins, sometimes 2mill+, heck i'v made billions off them.

I quit PvM after Mining & Smithing rework.

I do the clicking squares game as fast as one can, the same reason people use calculators in math class, it saves time. 100% legal since jagex allows RuneLite in OSRS, which it does a massive list of game altering things....

-tells you what you planted in what farming plot and when it finishes
- displays all names of all items on world floor. Drop 45,555 gp, it will display that on my screen, not as 'Gold' but as 45, 555GP.

^screen overlay? loads more lmao.

Nothing less than max efficiency in a world where we value our time.

Also jagex is checkmated into allowing RuneLite, 70%+ of OSRS uses it, removing it wouldn't be good for business. Yes some prayer switch plugins were removed but rest is allowed. many like runescape because of these tools. without it, jagex knows many may quit given the ease of use it adds to the game. Don't even need to guess when your potions will end, once you sip that dose, a timer appears.

Banning Alt 1 would be highly bias against RS3 players and the clue solving portion of the players that make their money from that method. Not everyone makes billions off them. It's like PvM, RNG is either your friend or your enemy.

24-Apr-2022 13:25:58

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XSlay4DeathX said :


Also jagex is checkmated into allowing RuneLite, 70%+ of OSRS uses it, removing it wouldn't be good for business. Yes some prayer switch plugins were removed but rest is allowed. many like runescape because of these tools. without it, jagex knows many may quit given the ease of use it adds to the game. Don't even need to guess when your potions will end, once you sip that dose, a timer appears.

Banning Alt 1 would be highly bias against RS3 players and the clue solving portion of the players that make their money from that method. Not everyone makes billions off them. It's like PvM, RNG is either your friend or your enemy.


Going off this percentage for RL, i wonder how many ppl actually use Alt1 in rs3.

If theres enough maybe it might end up the same and jagex might also be "forced" into allowing it as well.

Sadly theres no accurate way of tracking it as its a app for your browser. Unless the owner can somehow tell how many times its been downloaded.
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24-Apr-2022 13:37:33

Mel 624
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@xskay4deathx

You're not really making a good case for letting Alt1 continue to be used. As per your description, people use it to mindlessly shortcut their way out of solving the puzzle themselves so they can get through more clues faster, which means more rolls and more chances for money making loot. That's a very tangible monetary advantage over players not using it that should be considered cheating.

The two examples you listed for RL aren't really comparable. You can track crops with the remote farming device or check up on them from time to time and track nearby loot with the loot interface or your own eyes. I'm not saying I approve of RL but at least with those cases it doesn't fundamentally alter the content. I could see the game getting updated to add more functionality that would make those entirely redundant or just an aesthetic difference. It's mostly that it should be restricted to what the player would have access to in terms of unlocks and in-game features to avoid any cheats in that regard.

The thing about Alt1 is that it saves you time by bypassing the content itself. If you added it to the game to make it accessible for everyone, you'd still be destroying any reason to complete the clues normally ever again since it's practically a skip content button. That's not how players should be saving time on content.
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25-Apr-2022 03:03:42

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@Mel 624, They are 100% comparable in bias terms, disallowing a minor overlay in rs3 and allowing a 'questionable' non overlay in OSRS would be massive bias, which i am a strict activist against such.

allow both, or ban both. is the only legit option.

Also, how do i know those in favour of this 'banning of alt 1" don't have 20+ dyes in their bank, knowing they will rise when less do clue scrolls + Less being done per hour?

Alt 1 is free, anyone can use it, It's not Pay 2 Win. Forgot to mention OSbuddy is P2W(another OSRS OP client) and was designed by an X-bot making company. RuneLite was designed to give those who didn't want to pay for OSbuddy.

Again with the calculator, you have a math test, your 'allowed to use it', your also 'allowed to do it in your head/on paper' but you have a time limit. To use OR to not use tools you have access to, is ones choice. It's technology.

Only pros to removal of alt 1 is funding the merchants, which i don't support. i'm still waiting for the day all rares crash, and i'm going to laugh my head off. Price manipulation punishment at it's finest hour :P

Lets use my strongest gift, designing what happens next after ones choice:

-Jagex will be biased like the rest of the world, allow RL, ban Alt 1

-If they shutdown site of alt 1, i'm sure 5+ people have that site fully copied and the software already downloaded

-^Say that wasn't possible, many puzzle solvers online exist, have to manually upload pictures and input numbers.

-combating this won't be worth Jagex's time TBH, if they were smart, yes i don't think so sadly after what i witness. Design a timer that can find a puzzle being done too fast and nerf the reward....

-^but....that has one fetal flaw, what if someone did the towers puzzle on paper given design flaws. What is someone did legitly do one that fast, they would be punished for being good.

-View players screens to view overlays, now you have privacy lawsuits on your hands.

Best to fix other issues..

25-Apr-2022 06:19:09

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