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Wet Bedding said :
SlR said :
My suggestion: Ban Alt1, or more specifically the puzzle solver within it, please



^ Alt1 in use ^ is this cheating?

It's similar to how Chess cheats work, it sits on-top of your client and you can click 'through' it, like digital tracing paper. Is this fair play? In the Chess world, this technology is considered hard-cheating.


thats great you enjoy the challenge of chess duals and what not... but this is runescape, and we get way to many clue scrolls to not need an overlay. Like you said, you used it yourself, so if you want to ban people for it you gotta throw yourself in the pit too, along with most of the jagex team.

I don't play chess (at least not regularly). It was just a comment somebody else made, and I thought they made a good point! I've personally never used Alt1, so I don't know where that came from.

I wouldn't suggest banning people that currently use it, I don't think that would be fair, as it needs to be 'acknowledged' as a cheat first.

Third-party software / technology that automates gameplay does not belong in RS. It degrades RS for self-gain. It doesn't offer anything 'positive' to the community. It just makes the game easier for those that use it (through use of AI); bypassing in-game mechanics (that ordinary players are expected to use). Automating gameplay (cognitive / processing) with clickable on-screen indicators, and skipping what would otherwise be a 2m fee (skip tickets) doesn't feel right.

"So and so does it / uses it, so it must be ok" are not wise words to follow (imo). Runescape is known for its bots and scammers, unfortunately. If you care about your items or your account, don't risk it, don't download open-source software for RS (that alters your client / where you log in from) if it isn't supported / listed on Runescape's official platforms. Bob says:

A bank PIN will keep your items secure.

Always check the second trade screen.

Never trade in the Wilderness!

Keep your computer keylogger-free and virus scanned.

Never give your password out to anyone.

12-Nov-2021 11:20:09 - Last edited on 24-Dec-2021 08:04:08 by SlR

24-Dec-2021 00:14:43

24-Dec-2021 00:52:03

Haven't read the entire thread (it's late and I need to be getting to bed) but I think the real question is enforcement... if it isn't triggering the anti-cheating stuff, what's to prove that it's the program and not just a player that happens to be uncommonly quick at solving puzzles? We already have enough problems with the occasional false-ban (I know of one player that I believe has....4+?....macroing bans that have been quashed because he was able to prove that he actually is that efficient at playing) and that's where the software has a good chance at detecting the difference.

Please don't think that I support Alt1 - I'm entirely against it, and not just because it's a security risk to players accounts. I believe that Jagex needs to open up their own client to the extent that they allow modding tools (within carefully designed limits) so that a lot of the tools that these other programs add that Jagex is unwilling/unable to implement that would not give unfair advantage, can be utilized by everyone.

Anyways, again, I am firmly against the program, but I am feeling realistic tonight as to what is likely to happen Things may be looking down now, but I see a light at the end of the tunnel;
Do you think I should get off the tracks?

24-Dec-2021 06:52:34

Adarajin said :
Haven't read the entire thread (it's late and I need to be getting to bed) but I think the real question is enforcement... if it isn't triggering the anti-cheating stuff, what's to prove that it's the program and not just a player that happens to be uncommonly quick at solving puzzles? We already have enough problems with the occasional false-ban (I know of one player that I believe has....4+?....macroing bans that have been quashed because he was able to prove that he actually is that efficient at playing) and that's where the software has a good chance at detecting the difference.

Please don't think that I support Alt1 - I'm entirely against it, and not just because it's a security risk to players accounts. I believe that Jagex needs to open up their own client to the extent that they allow modding tools (within carefully designed limits) so that a lot of the tools that these other programs add that Jagex is unwilling/unable to implement that would not give unfair advantage, can be utilized by everyone.

Anyways, again, I am firmly against the program, but I am feeling realistic tonight as to what is likely to happen

That is actually something I really could more then second. A dedicated interface for modding.

It never should be a situation like in OS in which the community entirely depends on 3rd party producers to develop a client that is more than barely useable - but if they can provide ideas it actually could also be a nudge for jagex, where they can put in more work for their game. And well - obviously niche interest also could be covered without jagex having to bother about them at all. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

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