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Meritamun
Oct Member 2022

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I can see why people have an issue with Alt1 particularly the clue solver. For someone like me who really struggles at things like RuneSudoku, time is money and as such the clue solver can be a useful tool to have.

The Ali the Trader achievement was to my knowledge the first time i'd tried this in Runescape but after around an hour(give or take) of trying to solve this even with the wiki and using a notepad, i finally gave up in frustration and just used the clue solver. Granted, i was trying to do the large casket, though i don't remember if i could've chosen the small casket instead. Might have saved me the headache but that's beside the point.

If Jagex implemented such a feature, it would be a good thing imo as it would avoid the unnecessary hassle. Though tbh i doubt they will.

That said, i'm more neutral on this. It's useful to me though i doubt i'll be doing more RuneSudoku. Once was enough.

26-Apr-2022 08:27:05

XSlay4DeathX
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@Mel, Only issue with that calculator scenario is that jagex stated "use at own risk" so that translates to, that the teacher has allowed me to use a calculator if i decide to.

I enjoy puzzles, i'm very good at them. But....jagex allows 3rd party software via 'use at own risk' as long as it doesn't do inputs for you. I have always loved clicking skills, runecrafting, black jacking. Why? it's great money, everyone hates non afk skills.

Alt 1 turns clue scrolls into a very fun 'click as fast as you can game', My max interval i can do is 0.24 but 0.28 is my default speed.

Alt 1 being 'Use at own risk' is like someone asking you to sweep a room with a small broom then Alt 1 gives you a push broom people use for bigger rooms, so much faster. why would you not use the faster option?

Anyone can use it. The choice is there, faster money or slower money? Clue scrolls via alt 1 do not harm anyone except merchants that drive prices up via hoarding due to money limit.

Clue scroll profits are so healthy, alt 1 is not damaging it. More are welcome to join the club and it won't lose anyone of us from profits. It's most likely healthier than the PvM markets.

Too much supply = drop in price, Not enough supply = price rises. I fail to see how Alt 1 is causing havoc on the game.

Like i said before, this topic jagex is basically in check mate on this chess game for what they allow in OSRS clients features. Alt 1 is not even 1% as powerful as those software's.

Every choice you make, will cause a motive and affect. Jagex allowed paid OSbuddy for over 2years, RuneLite creators disliked a client being P2W, reason for it's creation.

^Jagex sealed their choice in stone, they have to allow it. Give someone such power and remove it? good luck, 70%+ dislike original client. Won't end well.

27-Apr-2022 02:02:46

Mel 624
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@XSlay4DeathX Not really. In this situation the clues aren't meant to be solved by a calculator as you're being graded on showing your work. You shouldn't get the rewards by cheating to get around that. To extend the metaphor, an actual clue guide would be like the sheet or equations the teacher included at the top of the test or let you keep from your class notes and a botting script would be if the list of answers you snuck in wrote themselves on your paper as opposed to having to be written manually. The script is worse but that doesn't change that the list of answers you still need to manually write is still cheating.

That clue solver can't really be called a guide with the way it completely bypasses the content and you don't even have to think about anything other than clicking where it tells you to. It's too much.

Clues are not meant to be a game of clicking as fast as you can. That's completely divorced from what they are. Describing it that way just proves my point.

I'm extremely skeptical of your claims about the clue market and Alt1's role in it. I just can't take your word on that as it's something that would require tangible proof if being presented as fact.

They don't have to allow it. Like I mentioned in the other thread, they can set firmer standards and regulation about what features 3rd party programs should and shouldn't have when interacting with their game. Only programs failing to meet those guidelines would be taken down. Presumably in such a situation a grace period would be given o remove those features in multi-use programs. How to block a forum user

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27-Apr-2022 04:11:59

Draco Burnz
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Mel 624 said :


They don't have to allow it. Like I mentioned in the other thread, they can set firmer standards and regulation about what features 3rd party programs should and shouldn't have when interacting with their game. Only programs failing to meet those guidelines would be taken down. Presumably in such a situation a grace period would be given o remove those features in multi-use programs.

Considering they allow RL at this point yes they pretty much do have to allow Alt1.

Cant show favoritism after all.

Thus since jagex backed themselves into a corner, its only a matter of time.
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27-Apr-2022 12:10:12

Kings Abbot

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Mel 624 said :
@XSlay4DeathX Not really. In this situation the clues aren't meant to be solved by a calculator as you're being graded on showing your work. You shouldn't get the rewards by cheating to get around that. To extend the metaphor, an actual clue guide would be like the sheet or equations the teacher included at the top of the test or let you keep from your class notes and a botting script would be if the list of answers you snuck in wrote themselves on your paper as opposed to having to be written manually. The script is worse but that doesn't change that the list of answers you still need to manually write is still cheating.

That clue solver can't really be called a guide with the way it completely bypasses the content and you don't even have to think about anything other than clicking where it tells you to. It's too much.

Clues are not meant to be a game of clicking as fast as you can. That's completely divorced from what they are. Describing it that way just proves my point.

I'm extremely skeptical of your claims about the clue market and Alt1's role in it. I just can't take your word on that as it's something that would require tangible proof if being presented as fact.

They don't have to allow it. Like I mentioned in the other thread, they can set firmer standards and regulation about what features 3rd party programs should and shouldn't have when interacting with their game. Only programs failing to meet those guidelines would be taken down. Presumably in such a situation a grace period would be given o remove those features in multi-use programs.

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27-Apr-2022 16:24:39

Mel 624
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Draco Burnz said :
Mel 624 said :


They don't have to allow it. Like I mentioned in the other thread, they can set firmer standards and regulation about what features 3rd party programs should and shouldn't have when interacting with their game. Only programs failing to meet those guidelines would be taken down. Presumably in such a situation a grace period would be given o remove those features in multi-use programs.

Considering they allow RL at this point yes they pretty much do have to allow Alt1.

Cant show favoritism after all.

Thus since jagex backed themselves into a corner, its only a matter of time.

Not really. I explained how it'd be a matter of addressing specific features in relation to what the game should and shouldn't allow 3rd party programs to do, so there'd be no favouritism and Alt1 could have a chance to remove the problematic features without necessarily getting taken down entirely if other things it does are deemed acceptable. The same would apply with other 3rd party programs. How to block a forum user

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27-Apr-2022 20:10:33

XSlay4DeathX
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@Mel, this whole game is a clicking as fast as you can game.

It's hard for people to crash me at slayer spots due to my clicking capabilities, I can click fast enough the game can cause dead clicks, reason my double click methods for runecrafting banking in 2-4 seconds were rendered broken after pouches update. <--that speed is appox 6500+ natures per hour in 2007, only 4 pouches. no summoning.

I double click everything due to bypass 'dead clicks', i always get the message from game "only need to click once" a lot. click too soon it won't count. I'm a clicking eliteist.

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More on topic,

Alt 1 can't be banned, it's a chess game but alt 1 has all queens and 1 king, jagex has the normal units. They can't ban or limit RuneLite any further and alt 1 is hardly that OP compared to anything RuneLite can do.

RuneLite's clue solver towers Alt 1, it highlights dig spots when you can't even see it....is that an overlay? Jagex is check mated. There biggest mistake was allowing OSbuddy(paid) to be allowed. Were they making profits from it? who knows and who cares, RuneLite rose up as a counter to P2W....

Ones mistake can lead to a ship turning into stone and sinking. They staked all chips into 3rd party clients, they did ban some plugins from runelite like prayer switch indicators, which i agree on being too OP.

Clue scroll market is solid gold, everything is item sunk and high in demand. Removing Alt 1 would further merchants to use dyes as 'currencies' as they still do. I don't know if you played this game when mint cakes were 2mill-10mill each shuffling week by week, at 10mill you sold to players that didn't know the cycle, rebought at 2-4m each, sold again from 8-10m and repeat. hence jagex making these mint cakes way more common.

^the fetal flaw is the limitation on max cash stack, to gain more? you have to buy rares, and more rares meaning less being traded, hence they rise and rise.

Alt 1 doesn't even hurt the economy. check prices.

27-Apr-2022 22:44:47

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