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Debbi
Jun Member 2008

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The Kaiser said :
What Jagex needs to do is remove most of the skilling items from the drop tables in PVM such as herbs, logs, fish, etc.
This would allow the skillers to maintain good value for the work they put into the game and keeping the PVMers killing.

This would also make it more worth while for players who don't participate in much PVM to still obtain better equipment through the use of skilling if they so wish.

PVM drops should include more items that would enhance skilling so the PVMers in get something in return.

I have to agree with this, there are so many skilling supplies now dropped by bosses that skilling is starting to be made obsolete and simply not worth doing to make GP. I hate as a skiller that we are the ones who are getting no benefits from the death cost reduction, but are having to be taxed for everything we sell as if we were benefitting from it.

Maybe by limiting future skilling supply drops from bosses, it will even things out for all types of players instead of this tax/death cost reduction just being an update that seems to solely benefit the pvm community.

13-Jan-2023 05:22:14

Rikornak
Oct Member 2013

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The Kaiser said :
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Which Jagex basically already does:

- Finished Metal equipment by Salvage - adequate replacement for both sides, actually even beneficial, since new creatures do no longer need to drop something like 100 rune platebodies to be valuable - it can be a lower amount of higher tiered salvage instead. And for invention it allows to hand out more varied components, albeit high tiered salvage is usually alched exclusively.
- Ores/Bars by Stone spirits - Due to Jagex' unwillingness to tune afterwards an extreme fiasko for PvMers, in general they just exist in way too high numbers to be worthwhile, not to speak of spirits that even 4 years later drop in places they're not supposed to - for skillers it's obviously nice they're existing
- Herbs by Seeds for Bossing (with reduced qty from slayer) - It's obviously also a net loss for bossers, not solely by the fact seeds are worth way less, the replacement rates were disproportional. But on the other hand it obviously benefited content already dropping seeds.
- Finished Runes by Anima stones: Hasn't happened yet, but I could imagine them partially replacing that as well in the future. I just hope they won't repeat that stone spirit failure.

And then - not a single modern resource or skilling product can be obtained as a drop if it's available to be harvested or processed in some fashion. It is an issue, that their fix for broken (or unfeasible at best) resources is 'let it drom from PvM', but it's obviously better than not having the stuff available at all, just due to the fact the intended source is broken. Improvements: Tooltip / (F2P) QoL v2
Quick Fixes: Invention

13-Jan-2023 07:44:29 - Last edited on 13-Jan-2023 10:54:18 by Rikornak

Jil L
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Darkscape was a totally separate game from RS3. If you think Jagex is continously spoiling pkers and pvmers in Darkscape it was Jagex, not RS3. Shrug! Not many players were skillers in Darkscape anyway.

Darkscape was just Jagex using some of its servers to spoil pkers, by turning the whole rs3 land into a big wilderness. This is what some ppls asked for years on forums (I remember it) and jagex satisfied their request.

And it was a waste of money for jagex because it's plain to see it was a failure. Money that could have been used for introducing more content on rs3.

The truth is skillers are loyal players, they love the game as it is and they don't ask for huge changes.

Pvmers and pkers are volatile players, always ready to quit, because rs3 is never enough combat oriented to them and they get easily bored with killing the same monsters. This is why jagex constantly satisfy their requests, while neglecting skillers' wishes. Skillers are given for granted because they play by habit. They don't quit the game as easily as pvmers do.

And it's not a farsighted strategy: as you said there are millions of registered accounts in RS3. How many of them do still play?


Just check at the money making guides on the wikia and it's plain to see why there's so much gold circulating in the game. Taxing ge transactions or nerfing the high alch values is not going to fix it. I'm fine Jagex wants to spoil pvmers, but not with my rs3 coins, please.

13-Jan-2023 09:58:53 - Last edited on 13-Jan-2023 10:11:30 by Jil L

Dilbert2001
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Jil L said :
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Darkscape was a totally separate game from RS3. If you think Jagex is continously spoiling pkers and pvmers in Darkscape it was Jagex, not RS3. Shrug! Not many players were skillers in Darkscape anyway.

Darkscape was just Jagex using some of its servers to spoil pkers, by turning the whole rs3 land into a big wilderness. This is what some ppls asked for years on forums (I remember it) and jagex satisfied their request.

And it was a waste of money for jagex because it's plain to see it was a failure. Money that could have been used for introducing more content on rs3.

The truth is skillers are loyal players, they love the game as it is and they don't ask for huge changes.

Pvmers and pkers are volatile players, always ready to quit, because rs3 is never enough combat oriented to them and they get easily bored with killing the same monsters. This is why jagex constantly satisfy their requests, while neglecting skillers' wishes. Skillers are given for granted because they play by habit. They don't quit the game as easily as pvmers do.

And it's not a farsighted strategy: as you said there are millions of registered accounts in RS3. How many of them do still play?


Just check at the money making guides on the wikia and it's plain to see why there's so much gold circulating in the game. Taxing ge transactions or nerfing the high alch values is not going to fix it. I'm fine Jagex wants to spoil pvmers, but not with my rs3 coins, please.

Huh? Games totally independent of RS3 like Darkscape means zip to how much gp and tax in RS3. Jagex can still make over 9,000 new Darkscape or whatever if they want to turn wilderness into totally pvp and no skilling but who cares? They are different games and they don't need to be adapted from RS3. They can be OSRS based Darkscape too and why not?

RS3 has plenty of skilling content and skillers are very relevant. It is only logical they pay relevant tax too.

13-Jan-2023 15:11:56

Mel 624
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Implementing the tax to offset reduced death costs was just begging to inflame already existing resentment towards PvM. Sure, there've been some skilling updates here and there but most of them are fairly minor and stuff like the accidental skilling station is locked between lategame combat quests. Skilling bosses are also still bosses and aren't any more enjoyable to someone who dislikes bossing as the combat ones. What we need is stuff like retiering and reworking the more broken, useless and outright unenjoyable skills to work better within the modern standards of the game. Reviving minigames and updating D&Ds would also help since many of them were supplemental to skilling and contain things that help with skilling.

Alching may be a separate source of money from monster drops but a lot of what's alched is from monster drops and it's generally better to alch your own drops. PvM generates more new gp than skilling does.

Another thing that bothers me about the tax is that it also feels like players are being punished for all the money generated through cash bags from TH and event loot like the presents. How much new gold has that been generating? If they want to balance the rate gold is added and removed then shouldn't that be higher priority than player taxing? How to block a forum user
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Don't let Jagex forget the forums.

19-Jan-2023 00:49:58

Dilbert2001
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The last boss we have, Zamorak, was more than half a year ago. There are definitely more skilling updates recently. Even Wilderness has turned into a skiller heaven. It is a big update.

TH has been in the game since more than a decade ago. Don't pretend it is anything new. The actual newer gp source actually came from Money Tree with a farming SKILL.

19-Jan-2023 01:05:43

Ruby_Red0
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Nice thread. Some interesting comments.

I have a thread too that I posted in the General Forum but a Forum Moderator felt it belonged here in Recent Game Updates.

There needs to be balance. It shouldnt be that one play-style takes preference to another.

People say there hasnt been a new update for PvM since Zammy, but there has.

You just got reduced death costs
subsidized by every play-style in the game.

I think the thing is PK and PvM get what they want because they never stop asking. Whatever benefit they get is never enough.

Maybe other playstyles can learn from that strategy. ^_^
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19-Jan-2023 02:30:43

Dilbert2001
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Ruby_Red0 said :
Nice thread. Some interesting comments.

I have a thread too that I posted in the General Forum but a Forum Moderator felt it belonged here in Recent Game Updates.

There needs to be balance. It shouldnt be that one play-style takes preference to another.

People say there hasnt been a new update for PvM since Zammy, but there has.

You just got reduced death costs
subsidized by every play-style in the game.

I think the thing is PK and PvM get what they want because they never stop asking. Whatever benefit they get is never enough.

Maybe other playstyles can learn from that strategy. ^_^

What pvm and pvp updates since Zamorack? Please tell us. We haven't had any actual pvp updates for many years. Even Wildyness Reborn didn't add any tangible pvp updates. Opt-in PvP is still the same content, unlike opt-out.

We are going to have even more communal skilling updates next month followed by Necromancy the new skill.

19-Jan-2023 03:26:44

Ruby_Red0
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Dilbert2001 said :
Ruby_Red0 said :
Nice thread. Some interesting comments.

I have a thread too that I posted in the General Forum but a Forum Moderator felt it belonged here in Recent Game Updates.

There needs to be balance. It shouldnt be that one play-style takes preference to another.

People say there hasnt been a new update for PvM since Zammy, but there has.

You just got reduced death costs
subsidized by every play-style in the game.

I think the thing is PK and PvM get what they want because they never stop asking. Whatever benefit they get is never enough.

Maybe other playstyles can learn from that strategy. ^_^

What pvm and pvp updates since Zamorack? Please tell us. We haven't had any actual pvp updates for many years. Even Wildyness Reborn didn't add any tangible pvp updates. Opt-in PvP is still the same content, unlike opt-out.

We are going to have even more communal skilling updates next month followed by Necromancy the new skill.

Im sorry. I'll try to speak up:

PVM JUST GOT REDUCED DEATH COSTS.


Did you catch it that time, or should I try again, Dilbert?
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19-Jan-2023 03:41:18

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