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Ruby_Red0 said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Ruby_Red0 said :
Nice thread. Some interesting comments.

I have a thread too that I posted in the General Forum but a Forum Moderator felt it belonged here in Recent Game Updates.

There needs to be balance. It shouldnt be that one play-style takes preference to another.

People say there hasnt been a new update for PvM since Zammy, but there has.

You just got reduced death costs

subsidized by every play-style in the game.

I think the thing is PK and PvM get what they want because they never stop asking. Whatever benefit they get is never enough.

Maybe other playstyles can learn from that strategy.

What pvm and pvp updates since Zamorack? Please tell us. We haven't had any actual pvp updates for many years. Even Wildyness Reborn didn't add any tangible pvp updates. Opt-in PvP is still the same content, unlike opt-out.

We are going to have even more communal skilling updates next month followed by Necromancy the new skill.

Im sorry. I'll try to speak up:

PVM JUST GOT REDUCED DEATH COSTS.

Did you catch it that time, or should I try again, Dilbert?

So? Whatever change in Death Cost didn't hide the fact that RS3 skillers get a lot more updates than pvmer and pvpers

19-Jan-2023 03:54:56 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2023 19:03:47 by Dilbert2001

So? Whatever updates you feel skillers get, where is the skillers minigame that unloads millions of gps per run at their feet?

Where is the 3.5 Billion gps skillers equivolent of a Fractured Staff or Armadyl?

I can easily agree that at least some PvMers might pay more taxs overall if someone can show me they do most of their sales of items through The Grand Exchange.

From standing at the GE, I would say it is clear that they dont use the GE for most sizable transactions regardless of a GE tax or not.

It has been my experience that word gets around that someone needs something or needs to sell something for the most part.

New(ish) Player

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19-Jan-2023 04:03:12

19-Jan-2023 04:15:41 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2023 04:21:16 by Dilbert2001

Dilbert2001 said :
Do you know plenty of skilling methods make us more gp/hr than bossing?

For instance, crafting many different kinds of runes give more gp/hr than a lot of bosses including the fairly new EGW bosses like Kerapac and Arch Glacor?

https://runescape.wiki/w/Money_making_guide

Skillers make a lot of gp/hr, and in many cases, even more than pvmers.

Skilllers die more often as plenty have been enjoying skilling in Wildy after the Reborn. They are also taking advantages of the Death Cost Reduction.

Death Cost Reduction and GE Tax balance out themselves among skillers too.

When skillers can make 37- 38 mil gp/hr crafting blood and water runes through the Reborn Wildy while pvmers can only make 32 mil/hr killing Kerapac and 28 mil/hr killing Hard Mode Arch Glacor, why is the GE tax anti-skillers?

Im sorry man, thats just not true, at least not for me. Maybe Im just not there yet. Ive used the Abyss to make runes, but its slow.

I cant get the massive bag until level 90, so that might be part of it, but Im not RCing 37-38 Mil/hr.

Im not skilling 37 - 38 Mil an hour doing anything.

If its true, kudos to those that are.

New(ish) Player

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19-Jan-2023 04:31:34

19-Jan-2023 04:33:31

Dilbert2001 said :


If you think it is not true, please either update the RS Wiki or contact their admins.


You lead me to believe that the concept of 'new player' is foreign to you.

You are probably one of those that has been playing since 2001 or something.

I have been playing since this past June/July.

In that context, comments like the one above make you seem juvenile.

In any case, my truth does not invalidate yours anymore than what is true for you invalidates my truth.

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19-Jan-2023 04:39:33 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2023 04:41:17 by Ruby_Red0

19-Jan-2023 04:46:17

Dilbert2001 said :
Ruby_Red0 said :
Dilbert2001 said :


If you think it is not true, please either update the RS Wiki or contact their admins.


You lead me to believe that the concept of 'new player' is foreign to you.

You are probably one of those that has been playing since 2001 or something.

I have been playing since this past June/July.

In that context, comments like the one above make you seem juvenile.

In any case, my truth does not invalidate yours anymore than what is true for you invalidates my truth.

You try to lead us to believe that the concept of "new player" is foreign to you.

Don't tell us new players are getting FSOA and BoTLG. Don't tell us new players don't die often to even just normal mode Arch Glacor and story mode EDs and pay a lot of death tax.

When did I say those things Del?

Oh yeah! I didnt! Go to bed!

New(ish) Player

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This is YOUR world, and I'm just a squirrel tryin' to get a nut.

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19-Jan-2023 04:52:59

Ruby_Red0 said :
Dilbert2001 said :
Ruby_Red0 said :
Dilbert2001 said :


If you think it is not true, please either update the RS Wiki or contact their admins.


You lead me to believe that the concept of 'new player' is foreign to you.

You are probably one of those that has been playing since 2001 or something.

I have been playing since this past June/July.

In that context, comments like the one above make you seem juvenile.

In any case, my truth does not invalidate yours anymore than what is true for you invalidates my truth.

You try to lead us to believe that the concept of "new player" is foreign to you.

Don't tell us new players are getting FSOA and BoTLG. Don't tell us new players don't die often to even just normal mode Arch Glacor and story mode EDs and pay a lot of death tax.

When did I say those things Del?

Oh yeah! I didnt! Go to bed!

You don't have to have said something I tell you not to say and expect other people will believe.

The fact is those who complained about death cost reduction and the GE tax is because they believe pvmers are getting far more gp/hr than skillers. The fact is actually Average Joe pvmers aren't getting as much, and probably not significantly more than Average Joe skillers.

19-Jan-2023 05:06:33

Dilbert2001 said :


You don't have to have said something I tell you not to say and expect other people will believe.

The fact is those who complained about death cost reduction and the GE tax is because they believe pvmers are getting far more gp/hr than skillers. The fact is actually Average Joe pvmers aren't getting as much, and probably not significantly more than Average Joe skillers.


Your alleged "fact" may be how PvMers view it, I dont know.

Im pretty confident PvMers were getting more gps/hr with or without any changes.

I dont expect to judge PvMers by the mediocre to fail players.

I wouldnt expect skillers, questers, minigamers, castle warriors etc to be judged by their mediocre to fail players either.

People arent hanging out at the GE showing off the best-in-slot items and premium drops because they arent any good at what they do.

We all should be sinking coin when we die, and if we take risks that put excessive coin in our pockets then we should have no issue with sinking the coin that Jagex has showered us with. Simply paying our fair share.

The issue is not jealousy.

The issue is player equity.

This situation doesnt feel equitable between play-styles.

I dont even personally have a problem with Jagex wanting to give PvMers yet another gift and lowering their death costs. Why should people who are not in a position to fully benefit from said gift be charged with the responsibility of making up the difference?

This almost feels like divide and conquer pitting playstyle against playstyle. What the big prize is I dont know, but if Jagex wants to cut PvMers a break on death costs, then maybe Jagex needs to simply loosen up their 'sink' requirements instead of forcing the whole player base into some form of economic subserviency.

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19-Jan-2023 16:43:23 - Last edited on 19-Jan-2023 18:24:29 by Ruby_Red0