RuneScape Forum Archive | 12 Months is Too Long, Please

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If your clan suffers from an

inactive clan leader

please post here if you think 12 months is too long...

Didn't this use to be 6 months? There's a big difference between 6 months and 12 months.

Many good clans without a proper leader in place will die off after 12 months. I ask both Jagex and the community to seriously consider that 12 months is too long to remove an inactive leader... What are your thoughts CLF?
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27-Mar-2016 07:50:19

Body btw

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I want to clarify I'm not only talking about my clan on this account, but I have a high level VIP access Ironman that is in a clan of 500 people that is leaderless.

Why should such a great clan suffer the next 8+ months without a leader? This is terrible for the community imo, please consider changing it back to 6 months inactivity.
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27-Mar-2016 08:07:56

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Ceecs

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I agree 6 months might be better. Ceecs - leader of Ceecs Clan

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27-Mar-2016 09:45:54

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Electric

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It's 12 months for a good reason, especially if it used to be 6 months before and had to be changed to this.

What if someone is, for example, suddenly busy with school from December to May (6 months) - do they get replaced during their absence when they're back and free for the summer? Things like injuries also can last up to 6 months. These are only some simple examples off the top of my head, and there is a lot more involved.

12 months ensures that no matter the month, season, case etc. they did not appear at least once which is very reasonable criteria to base it off and confirms they've gone/quit. In your specific case, it might not be too reasonable to wait that long, but there are lots of different cases to consider and for others it is and as such it's the least requirement.

In my personal opinion, no one who goes inactive without a word for 6+ months deserves to stay as Owner (and not having the decency to pass ownership on at least, if not coming back), but Jagex need to have a standard which covers all sorts of cases (and 'worst case scenarios') as a policy to follow and cannot forcefully remove someone from ownership of their own clan, which falls more under 'interfering with internal clan issues', unless it is justified (1 year).

I don't see how a Deputy Owner is not able to lead the clan until then without a gold key next to their name, which only provides the ability to change the clan's name, unlimited kicking and moving the build tick (hence, nothing to do with actual leadership really).

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27-Mar-2016 11:11:35

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12 months seems reasonable, if the clan is as great as you claim then theres no harm in it waiting 12months or restarting. Its just there to make doubly sure.

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27-Mar-2016 14:26:28

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Sicariu

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Though I agree that 12 months does seem excessive, I can see why that time period is so long. Since Jmods are the ones replacing the leader, they need to be 100% sure that they are replacing a leader who is inactive with little to no room for mistakes.

I feel sorry for all of the clans that suffer such a long wait of being leader-less, but as a clan leader, he or she should take the responsibility of putting someone else in charge for an extended period of absence. That way, their clan doesn't need to worry about Jmod intervention being required.

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27-Mar-2016 21:52:29

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6 months of inactivity--aka, not logging in at all, is reasonable. Longer, and it's difficult for clannies without a leader to say "I've encountered our clan leader, or have at least heard decent things about them." In terms of moral, that's not very fun, and moral is what the people who are posting on the Inactive Clan Leaders thread are concerned about. I also suggest looking at the posts on that thread get a sense of what types of requests are being made.

At least 12 months, however, is not. Keep in mind that "clan ownership" doesn't trump "health of the clan and clannies" in this case, because having been a clan owner doesn't give you the right to completely neglect in-game your clan for more than 6 months, aka not log in at all.

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27-Mar-2016 22:41:35 - Last edited on 27-Mar-2016 22:48:27 by Vera

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Electric said :
What if someone is, for example, suddenly busy with school from December to May (6 months) - do they get replaced during their absence when they're back and free for the summer? Things like injuries also can last up to 6 months. These are only some simple examples off the top of my head, and there is a lot more involved.

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, in specific response to your post, since it seems our implicit assumptions differ--

Your arguments are in defense of the clan leader. I understand that to a certain extent, but the intent of the Inactive Clan Leaders thread is for the health of a clan, and not to protect someone's "ownership" of a clan. Everyone has different leadership styles, but a leader who is gone for more than 6 months--not logging in at all--no longer cares enough about their clan to step down nor to even say "hi" once every 6 months.

In my opinion, that's either selfish or negligent, and really debilitating to the moral of a clan. Then you have people in the clan who still care, and as such post on the Inactive Clan Leaders thread.

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27-Mar-2016 22:54:18

Body btw

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Thank you everyone for responding, all opinions are welcome but I really wish this would get more attention because IMHO, if an owner doesn't log in a single time after 6 months it's time to take the clan's health into consideration.

Deputies are honestly very limited, especially when dealing with large clan's and frequent recruiting. It is very restricting for a clan to be leaderless but maybe some clans are resilient to such things.

All clans are not capable of being without a leader for 12 months, the rule that should be in place is one that will help as many people as possible. I respect all opinions but surprised at some initial responses tbh.
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27-Mar-2016 23:06:31

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If you're a responsible clan leader, you don't leave your clan without someone who will be there to run it. If you do, then you're in it for your own personal glorification, and not for the good of the clan.

A year is too long to let a clan suffer without responsible leadership. The most beautiful things in life cannot be seen or even touched, they must be felt with the heart.

28-Mar-2016 00:57:06 - Last edited on 28-Mar-2016 00:59:06 by MarianaBella

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