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Cacoadragon
Apr Member 2019

Cacoadragon

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@Leverter

What exactly have I assumed? I am giving my opinion which is what Jagex wanted.

If there is a change the best option would be to allow people to repick if they want. If that is not possible then a buff such as 1/10 clue drop rate or removal of the guaranteed drop from superiors.

DO NOT MAKE META-CHANGING CHANGES POST-LAUNCH AFTER PEOPLE HAVE LOCKED IN THEIR RELIC SELECTIONS ESPECIALLY AFTER SAYING THAT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO MAKE THESE TYPE OF CHANGES MID-LEAGUE. #MAKEOURCHOICESIMPORTANT #NOCHANGES

11-Nov-2020 20:42:26 - Last edited on 11-Nov-2020 20:44:47 by Cacoadragon

Lemako
Nov Member 2022

Lemako

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Like many people, I chose Treasure Seeker purely because I could foresee how difficult clues were going to be to complete. To be penalised for that realisation kind of blows...

I think Treasure Seeker needs a buff if this change goes live.

11-Nov-2020 20:45:17

Judaske

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IceCap Zone said :
Tzidkiyahu said :
Almost no one I know who chose Treasure Seeker thinks this is a good change.

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When I picked my Tier 4, I mistakenly thought the clues would be limited to the areas I'd unlocked. And even if I did, I wouldn't have realized how frequently you have to give up on trails. I almost ended up picking Slayer, but I realized part of the fun of slayer (for me) is the randomness of what task you get. So despite the fact that I initially thought clues worked the way they have just proposed them to, I still almost went with the Slayer relic.

The fact that you didn't understand the rules correctly isn't really an argument to change it now.
The rules were clear at the start, doing clues would be hard no matter what in this league (with or without the clue relic). But then again, this league is all about restrictions ...
But it was clear, if you like doing all your clues, don't play this league.

The fact that a lot of people feel so strongly about this is because they made the choices they thought would get them the most league points in 2 months.
With the proposed changes it is clear that Unnatural sellection would be the best relic for getting the most league points.

11-Nov-2020 20:49:50

Leverter

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@Cacoadragon

Reselecting your relic hardly is a fix for balance. As for your idea, you're just regurgitating what i said earlier.

People who chose Unnatural selection did so with the thought that even with that additional clue drop chance, they weren't likely to do many of them.
People who chose Treasure seeker did so because it would allow them to do more clues than otherwise.

Removing the clues you can't complete while also removing the Superior bonus seems to fix the issue while not warping the reasons as to why the relics were chosen in the first place.

11-Nov-2020 20:55:32

Cacoadragon
Apr Member 2019

Cacoadragon

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I think we agree on how we would fix it @Leverter? I didn't intentionally regurgitate it its just how i think they should make this update palatable. (Edit: Just looked back and yeah I wasn't disagreeing with you on how they could make it better, but in my opinion which is just that, it's an opinion, i don't think they should make any changes).

I'm more against changes in general because of the precedent it would set for future leagues. Since people will say when they have an issue in a future league that they don't like that they made a change in previous leagues. In reality my opinion is that they should just chalk it up as they made a fundamental mistake in the design of the league but permanent choices have been made.

11-Nov-2020 21:01:55 - Last edited on 11-Nov-2020 21:06:32 by Cacoadragon

Lemako
Nov Member 2022

Lemako

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If the complaint is that the clue-related tasks are much harder than anticipated, would a better fix be to be reduce the amount of collection log slots required for them? E.g. Fill 25 Master Clue Collection Log Slots becomes Fill 15.

You need to implement a change that affects both relics equally...

11-Nov-2020 21:08:52

Leverter

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@Cacoadragon

We somewhat agree, and it's good to know that my initial ideas have merit.

I think changes for things that are generally considered awful should always be allowed. I don't see how a fix like this would set a bad precedent moving forward as long as they implement the changes right. In the future if they make something in a league that just makes the game mode an un-fun experience, I would feel better knowing that there is a chance for it to change than it to be locked in.

However your idea, and many others, who are saying that you should be allowed to reselect a relic would be setting a bad precedent.

11-Nov-2020 21:10:45

DainTheDeer
Feb Member 2020

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I chose wilderness as my third region solely so i could do a lot of hard clues. I am okay with the changes as listed but I'm concerned about one thing. Are clues that are in our selected regions but uncompletable due to quest conflicts going to be removed? I can't complete any steps that are in the Kharazi Jungle for example because you need Fremmenik to have any access to Legends' Quest.

Another conflict: hot and cold master clues are only completeable by those who chose either Tyrannwn OR exactly kandarin, fremmenik, and morytania because of the Making History quest. I hope these steps will not show up for people where the hot/cold clue is in their region but they can't complete it due to this quest.

11-Nov-2020 21:31:50

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