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hurloon
Nov Member 2023

hurloon

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I chose clue relic specifically because of the lack of region-locking, knowing it would be the only way to get clue tasks done. Clue relic is now useless compared to slayer one. 1/20 drop rate is the same as 1/20 superiors because you can pick tasks. the scroll stacking and minimum steps is nothing compared to picking tasks and getting more superiors. You just destroyed this relic. either buff it, nerf slayer relic, or let me change my relic.

11-Nov-2020 18:53:22

astrobrite
Mar Member 2017

astrobrite

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It was common knowledge that clues would be MUCH harder with area restrictions. This seems like too big of a change to make after almost every account has already chosen their relics. A small buff to make master clues more completable would be helpful to all players regardless of their relic, but buffing all clues in the way proposed here disproportionately benefits those that chose the slayer relic.

This eliminates the ONLY major downside to choosing the slayer relic. There is no way to make this proposed change and keep the relics balanced without letting people re-choose between slayer and clues. One of the coolest things about this game mode is that there is an opportunity cost that comes with every decision. You can't have it all. (Unless of course, you have the slayer relic and this update goes through)

I think a small buff to the percentage of clues that are completable would be a good idea. Especially with master clues. But making it so that all clues are completable in a player's chosen regions is a horrible idea for the game.

11-Nov-2020 18:58:44

Judaske

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In my opinion, if you choose to pick unnatural selection, you choose to probably not do many clues and miss out on a lot of points from clue league tasks. The rules were clear at the start of the league.
With unnatural selection you choose to make slayer more easy/fun with the trade-off of making clues less easy/fun. With treasure seeker it is the other way around: clues are doable but you have to do slayer tasks you don't want at the time, or waste slayer points skipping or blocking ...

The proposed changes completely devalue Treasure Seeker:
- unnatural selection: kill nechryael / gargoyles / bloodvelds ... on task for a 1/25 superior with a guaranteed completable clue scroll drop.
- treasure seeker: kill those monsters off task for 1/20 clue scroll (which is probably slower) and you want a slayer task clue boi? go kill some waterfiends!

So I say: either don't make this update, let people repick the 4th relic or somehow buff slayer for treasure seekers (fair is fair)

Finally I would also like to say: I'm enjoying the hell out of this league, you guys did a really great job. But this particular clue update I really wouldn't like.

11-Nov-2020 19:02:55

IceCap Zone

IceCap Zone

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Full support of this.

I'm not entirely sure why people feel that only people with the Unnatural Selection relic would benefit from this, since people who picked Treasure Seeker (Like me) are able to bank way more clues than people who didn't, since you get clues extremely frequently, whether you're on task or not, and you don't have to deal with fighting as many superior slayer monsters (which is a plus for me, as I like to afk a lot, but superiors are often not safely afkable). I don't have to deal with either juggling clues or stopping in the middle of my task to complete a treasure trail. With this buff I feel like the benefits of Treasure Seeker come much closer to that of Unnatural Selection, whereas before it felt like I'd made a huge mistake and wished I could change my relic.
I'm very happy about this proposal and I hope they can see it through. I do think it would be fair to allow everyone the option to change their Tier 4 relic after this update, since I know many people picked Unnatural Selection specifically because of how difficult it was to complete treasure trails. Had I known about it before picking my relic, I know I would have picked US as well.

11-Nov-2020 19:08:05

Generics
Mar Member 2017

Generics

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I am slayer relic, and I agree with much of what has been said against this update. This is a competitive game mode and we all had the same information available to us when choosing our relics. Clue relic offered a specific competitive advantage (being able to access points that are essentially unobtainable by the slayer relic). This update removes that advantage for those who chose the clue relic.

I imagine the majority of people chose the slayer relic, so this update will be very popular with a large percentage of trailblazer players. But in my opinion, it unfairly punishes those that chose the clue relic for competitive advantage.

11-Nov-2020 19:10:43

Tzidkiyahu

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tldr: Please poll the Treasure Seekers. If a majority of Treasure Seekers want this, I think it's fine. Otherwise, please don't implement it just to please the non-clue relic majority.

I keep hearing the claim that people from both relic choices want this change. I don't think it's true. Almost no one I know who chose Treasure Seeker thinks this is a good change. Please consider polling Treasure Seekers to see if a majority actually approve. Because many of us feel that this is just a huge buff to the majority pick (Unnatural Selection) that is primarily geared towards the most competitive players (who care about the locked clue points).

We were told that large changes were not going to happen. We were specifically told that clues would not be area-locked and that that wouldn't change. As a result, a number of us chose treasure-seeker despite its apparent lack of slayer strength for the chance to complete clues at all. Not because we wanted to spend a full day zipping through all the clues, but because we wanted to complete some. That is why we chose the relic, not because it made it slightly faster to complete each clue or so we wouldn't have to leave (our now much more frustrating list of ) slayer tasks.

Relics have advantages and disadvantages. With the proposed change, you are just giving the main advantage of the treasure seeker relic (clue completability) to those who chose the other relic. This feels in spirit like changing the relics and is not something that should be done mid-leagues after most people have already chosen T4.

This change should be implemented in future leagues. It should not be implemented to give the strengths of both relics to the Unnatural Selection choosers after the fact, thus making Treasure Seeker, which had been a good choice, a terrible one.

Thank you for your hard work putting together this league. It is great already, and I hope we don't see too many more large changes.

11-Nov-2020 19:12:05 - Last edited on 11-Nov-2020 19:18:54 by Tzidkiyahu

ArilonThe2nd
Jun Member 2023

ArilonThe2nd

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I made my relic (clue relic) and area (Asgarnia instead of Tirannwn, as a ranger) selections the way i did because there would not be any major changes. This is a major change, and i regret my choice so much if this gets implemented.

11-Nov-2020 19:15:34

Tzidkiyahu

Tzidkiyahu

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As an additional note, I think a change like this hurts the integrity of the game, but I think that giving everyone both relics would be an even worse integrity change. I think this even though I am fairly certain that Treasure Seekers will be ignored as these forums/reddit cater to the majority, so I would benefit from both relics being given to everyone. People keep floating the idea. Please don't even consider that.

11-Nov-2020 19:15:45

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