RuneScape Forum Archive | Clue Scroll Changes

Aug

2023

RamZ OSRS

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Don't do this! You can't undue the lost opportunity cost of those who picked the Clue Hunter Relic over the Slayer Relic.

This is unfair and I will probably quit this league over this change. You can't just change the rules of a competitive game mode in the middle of the game, kids on a playground change the rules. You can't keep things "fair and fun" when the conditions for the prizes (trophies) are percentage based!

Even Husky himself said you're allowed to go dry on drops, how is getting dud clues any different?

The best thing to do is learn from this, and apply it next league. No fundamental changes!

11-Nov-2020 19:18:34 - Last edited on 11-Nov-2020 19:18:53 by RamZ OSRS

Oct

2016

Zot

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Clue relic was meant to be able to compete in points later in the league. Those who are currently in dragon rank with a slayer relic will have a hard time to keep their status near the end compared to those with the clue relic.

This change screws over the aspect of leagues and points. Those who planned around the clue relic are just told to enjoy their easily accessible 6k points and miss out on all the slayer related task points that made slayer relic appealing in the first place.

This change although great for the game goes against the nature of leagues. If it was an implemented feature before the league started then it would have been fine. It's mid-league and that should be taken into consideration.

11-Nov-2020 19:22:58

Leverter

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As a treasure seeker, I think these changes are fine. Something needed to be done in any case. Even if I could choose the relic again. I'm not looking to go for 200m slayer just to do clues. Getting better drop rates for clues while doing everything but slayer, taking less time to do all the clues you get, and not dropping everything you're doing just to go do a clue makes me satisfied.

11-Nov-2020 19:23:46

Jul

2022

BurntLegumes

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This is a very upsetting change to see made after I've chosen all my relics. I've trained my slayer up the slow way, getting numerous bad tasks, that I did with the knowledge that "it'll be worth it, later on I actually get to do clues, the people taking the easy road right now don't get that". Here we are, two weeks in and they've already gotten all their best tasks with high superior rates for all the best xp and all the best loot, killing everything on task, for max efficiency.
Now they've realised it's hard to do clues without treasure seeker and are pushing to get access to some of the same benefit. Where does this leave me with my base superior rate (who basically can't get any of the high kc slayer tasks done at all). Sure they have to spend more time doing the clues than us and have less of a chance at the clue uniques tasks, but at least they have a chance. If you do put this through, please consider also raising the base superior odds so clue relic people have a chance at those tasks. Thank you for your efforts in this league, it's been excellent.

11-Nov-2020 19:25:30

HCAscendancy

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Please Jagex if you do this change: Move the multiplier from reward caskets from Misthalin unlocks to the Treasure Hunter relic. Otherwise Treasure Hunter becomes useless and the rewards for all the timeinvestments that have been done will be completly gone. Don't kill Treasure Hunter

11-Nov-2020 19:26:33

Samtastic927

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I think that this already should have been implemented, just like it originally was in twisted. I feel like the fact that it isnt already locked, or to at least the places I could pick, is really frustrating. Even last league without the clue relic, you could do clues... because you could get to to the locations. Please please do this! And then next league.. just do it from the beginning please!!

11-Nov-2020 19:26:59

IceCap Zone

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Tzidkiyahu said :
Almost no one I know who chose Treasure Seeker thinks this is a good change.

I absolutely do. Is there anybody else here who chose Treasure Seeker that thinks this was a necessary update? Maybe I'm just in the minority here.

People with the Slayer relic are only getting clues on tasks that can spawn superior monsters, and they still have to fight them to get their clue. On the other hand, I can go camp something like bloodveld for an hour and come back with dozens of clues to finish. 1/25 rate for superior monsters on a task of 200 comes out to around 8 clues, which you have to then either complete on the spot, or juggle throughout your task, which I find extremely annoying because I like to afk more. Meanwhile I've got 1/20 from any monster that drops clues, whether I'm on task or not.
Simply put, people with Treasure Seeker benefit because they're getting a lot more clue scroll drops overall, have fewer steps to complete, and can complete them at their leisure.

When I picked my Tier 4, I mistakenly thought the clues would be limited to the areas I'd unlocked. And even if I did, I wouldn't have realized how frequently you have to give up on trails. I almost ended up picking Slayer, but I realized part of the fun of slayer (for me) is the randomness of what task you get. So despite the fact that I initially thought clues worked the way they have just proposed them to, I still almost went with the Slayer relic.

11-Nov-2020 19:34:20

Leverter

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If people still have issues with this, some suggested adjustments could be to either simply lower the drop rate for clue seeker, or just remove the additional clue bonus on slayer. People who chose the slayer relic aren't really trying to do clues as they are right now, so removing the clue bonus, but making so that they can actually do their clues should be fine.

11-Nov-2020 19:36:13

Apr

2019

Cacoadragon

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@IceCapZone

I took treasure seeker and don't think it should be implemented as described. Unnatural selection people can just choose tasks that give superiors to get that 1/25 rate easily. As an example lets use your bloodvelds and killing 200 example.

Treassure Seeker
Expected Number of Clues = 200 * (1/20) = 10 Clues

Unnatural Selection
Expected Number of Clues = 200 *(1/25 Superior which Guarantees a Clue) = 8 Clues +
192 (Non-Superiors) * (1/256 normal non-wildy bloodveld clue rate) = 0.75 Clues for a total of 8.75 Clues

The question becomes assuming all clues are completable is saving 1-2 steps and getting an additional 1.25 clues really worth it when compared with the benefits that unnatural selection already has. The power of the treasure seeker relic is that it allowed you to store up clues and then complete them in one massive juggling session while unnatural selection had to do it on a task by task basis making it much harder for them to complete clues. That was the tradeoff that they chose when the selected unnatural selection, slayer would be made much more beneficial at the cost of clues being difficult to complete.

DO NOT MAKE META-CHANGING CHANGES POST-LAUNCH AFTER PEOPLE HAVE LOCKED IN THEIR RELIC SELECTIONS ESPECIALLY AFTER SAYING THAT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO MAKE THESE TYPE OF CHANGES MID-LEAGUE. #MAKEOURCHOICESIMPORTANT #NOCHANGES

11-Nov-2020 19:51:30 - Last edited on 11-Nov-2020 19:54:58 by Cacoadragon

IceCap Zone

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@CacoaDragon

Curious, are you happy with your decision now? Have you been doing most of the clues you've found? Personally when I realized clues were not limited to my unlocked areas, I thought I'd made a huge mistake and immediately wanted to change to Unnatural Selection. My T4 relic is practically useless, because the amount of time spent doing Hard+ clues is just not worth the rewards, despite the improved drops. If I could change to US right now, I would. If Jagex implemented this change, I would be happy with my choice as is.

11-Nov-2020 20:03:01

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