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HCAscendancy

HCAscendancy

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Well something had to be done, but it's still a huge slap in the face for everyone who did pick treasure hunter, and especially the ones (like me) who invested a lot of time into doing clues. I finished over 20 med clues and 15 hard clues, and i got some sick stuff like ranger boots and 3rd age robe and it felt so deserved because i have below 20% completion rate on hard clues. But still i felt good because i took treasure hunter and could farm clues and i felt special because most others took Unnatural Selection. Now everyone can do every clue no matter which relic you have chosen. That's a huge nerf for Treasure Hunter and i feel sad that i invested so much time doing one of my favorite activities in the game.
I think you should overthink if this is the right way of fixing this. Don't get me wrong, i think there needs to be a change for sure, but just outright buffing it for everyone who didn't choose Treasure Hunter is not fair.

11-Nov-2020 18:22:24

Lunavera75

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If this passes, can we swap from clue relic to slayer? The reason I chose clue relic was cause I knew just how hard it would be to complete the clues without min steps, and that I would have to juggle clues to make sure I could get caskets. For clue relics, this would be a kinda nice qol change but for slayer relic this is an overwhelming buff, and they haven't sacrificed slayer points, damage from slayer helm on anything they want to kill (cyclops and Kril anyone?), increased rate of superiors and the drops those provide, and now they could easily farm anything they need for the clues they get with the guarunteed chance on superiors. Clue relic was already severely underpowered, but it at least made clues much more possible, but without worry, there is NO reason anyone should pick the clue relic.

11-Nov-2020 18:22:41

Atlasroar

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Slightly off-topic but let's talk about another issue as well. I brought this up to ash on Twitter and I think it needs attention and could use an easy remedy.

Issue : Players who pick a combination of kandarin/tir/morty/desert/frem Cannot charge dragonstone jewelery.

While this isn't the biggest issue, it also makes endless jeweler practically useless as i cannot even create glories/skill necklaces/combat bracelets for the teleports. which is kind of the entire benefit.

Possible Solution(s): Auto Complete heroes quest OR allow players to buy charges from the league's tutor in Lumbridge.

The First solution has an obvious downside of some people missing out on XP, But it's an easier solution as this could go live within an update. If heroes quest is autocompleted for everyone then regardless of the region you can charge glories THROUGH clue scroll hunting. Which makes the clue scroll option have more benefit for people in the above-mentioned regions as they're likely to get the charges faster.


The second Solution may require more time but also has "little" downsides for everyone. If you can buy charges from the leagues tutor for..let's say... 10k a charge than everyone can have this benefit one way or the other.

11-Nov-2020 18:23:25

OxieM
Jan Member 2020

OxieM

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Fantastic update! I love clues an I'm so glad I can actually do them and also keep my slayer relic :)
Question though, how will this update affect areas within areas such as the Kharazi Jungle, Legends Guild, Myths Guild, Lithriken Vault, ect ect that require multiple areas to unlock? Like if I have Kandarin but not Fremmy, will I still get Myth's Guild steps?

11-Nov-2020 18:24:41

bored_o_mir

bored_o_mir

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Everyone agrees with your opening motivation about clues being a bit painful in Trailblazer. I think we can all support making clues more fun.

But I feel very strongly that this change would disrupt the tradeoffs between Unnatural Selection and Treasure Seeker. Some people (myself included) chose Treasure Seeker since we knew clues would be very difficult to complete without juggling. This made stacking clues appealing since we could log off between clue drops without losing our progress. The minimum step benefit also was relevant, since fewer completable steps would be required.

With this change, both those benefits are eroded by making steps completable. Juggling is irrelevant if the majority of steps are completable. Stacking is mostly irrelevant if juggling isn't needed. It essentially takes away the two reasons (already weak by the pick percentages) for picking Treasure Seeker.

This change would definitely make the minority of people who picked the Treasure Seeker relic sad about how their pick is now suboptimal. It would feel unfair.

I trust you'll find a way to make the proposal better for Treasure Seekers. One idea would be to simply give both Unnatural Selection and Treasure Seeker to all players. I think this would eliminate most concerns about fairness and might be easier to implement than allowing a re-selection for that relic tier.

11-Nov-2020 18:26:27

Slayer Tony
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Slayer Tony

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I chose Unnatural Selection, however after reading through everyone's comments, I do agree with making steps completable, however Treasure Seeker should receive a buff. (I would have picked Unnatural Selection either way, I enjoy Slayer more than clues, however I enjoy clues too.) I have found that the game is far less fun having to drop almost every clue I get.

11-Nov-2020 18:31:31

Cacoadragon
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Cacoadragon

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While the statement is true that both t4 relics are being buffed by the proposed change this change drastically improves the unnatural selection relic and provides a moderate buff to the treasure seeker relic. People who have already made their T4 relic choice could regret their choice depending on the implementation of this update. Those who chose treasure seeker because it made it realistiic to be able to accomplish a lot of the clue tasks are going to feel bad and have regret after it was mentioned repeatedly that meta-changing updates/changes would not occur in leagues after it went live. Meanwhile yes clues are stackable with treasure seeker but from pvm which is to be honest the source of most hard, elite, and therefore master clues the treasure seeker gets clues at a 1/20 rate while unnatural selection gets them at a 1/25 (via superior). This along with guaranteed completable clue scrolls means that both relics should be able to fairly easily complete most of the medium-hard tier tasks related to clues whereas before without taking the treasure seeker relic it would be much harder to do so. Ultimately I think it comes down to the fact that it was said repeatedly we won't make meta-changing changes post-launch and by doing so I think it would be fairest to allow people to reselect the tier 4 relic if this change is implemented without a similarily strong boost to treasure seeker as unnatural selection received.

11-Nov-2020 18:50:24

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