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Cookie00108
Jul Member 2007

Cookie00108

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So they said they would change clues, which would be tons of work. Few days later they won't change clues, because the community does not want it? The community has begged and begged for this change. A few people get mad, and Jagex backtrack, and will just make it slightly better juggling clues, which is technically an exploit to begin with. So clues will still be dropped a ton, still can't finish almost a single clue, except now they will contribute to eventually completing a clue, so we have to get a ton of clues. Do it in steps and eventually get one reward for that work. Rather than making them all completable for everyone. Yes it would have made the unnatural selection perk stronger than it already is, because they'd be able to get extra clues and complete them all. We'd still have stackable clues, we'd still have a lot more clues, and we'd have the minimum steps. ON EVERY SINGLE CLUE. As someone who took the treasure seeker relic, I am 100% against this, and 100% want the proposal the community asked for in the first place. Area Locked Clues.

13-Nov-2020 21:56:22

Lunavera75

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As a treasure hunter relic who has juggled to complete 95 clues so far, the second update brings no greater rate of completing clues to treasure hunters who juggle clues while making it far easier for unnatural selection people to eventually complete their steps. I think we have to examine things from the angles I believe Jagex has in their intentions.

I believe Jagex wants to make trailblazer as fun for everyone as it can be.
I believe Jagex wants people to make important and impactful decisions with their relics and to stick with them.
I believe Jagex wants to avoid making changes that cause people to be unhappy with their previous choices of relics.

To me, the most fun solution for everyone is to be able to do all their clues in their regions as option 1 stated. This will make many of the people who planned their areas and relics around completing clues regret their choices and feel like their careful planning has been wrecked. The only way I see Jagex to satisfy players with their regions is to allow people who chose their regions based on clues to repick those regions. The clue relic can be improved to make people feel like their relic choice is netting them many more clue rewards than unnatural selection, as the general rate we are looking at is the 1/20 clues for treasure seekers compared to the 1/25 clues for slayers hunting superiors that is grindable. There is not much difference in the rate of clues possible to both sides as it stands, and the slayer relic already has so many other benefits that I feel it isn't unreasonable to make the clue relic feel like a better clue hunting relic than the slayer one is at hunting clues, hopefully clue hunters can feel they are gaining as much from clue rewards as slayers are from their tasks and superiors, while allowing both sides to enjoy as much of the game as possible. Suggestions for the improvements to the clue relic are already on the discord, and I'm out of characters lol.

13-Nov-2020 22:53:04

Zot
Oct Member 2016

Zot

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The new proposal is a QoL change for Unnatural Selection, Treasure Seekers aren't affected which just doesn't address the competitive imbalance.

Merging the relics with either proposal should be considered to appease the casual and competitive crowd.

Appreciate the efforts given by the Jmods for the community.

14-Nov-2020 00:35:44

Aliza
Oct Member 2023

Aliza

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The first proposal was so much better and it actually benefited everyone. I picked the clue scroll relic because of all of the clue scroll related tasks. I knew that it would take an effort to complete those tasks and the clue scroll relic would be very beneficial. What I've found, however, is that I have to drop nearly all of the clue scrolls I do. Basically if you don't have Asgarnia, Desert, or the Wilderness, you're just out of luck for most of the clue scrolls.

I don't see how making the clue scrolls region locked benefits people who took Unnatural Selection so much more that it's unfair to people who took Treasure Seeker. People with Treasure Seeker still have the minimum number of clue scrolls and get to stack clues. Overall this saves a lot of time and makes the clue scroll related tasks much more achievable.

The second proposal is better than nothing, but I'm still just going to have to drop nearly all of my clues which just makes the Treasure Seeker seem extremely weak overall compared to Unnatural Selection. I've literally had days where I've gotten 10 easy clues while woodcutting just to not be able to do a single one of them because they were all Asgarnia or Desert. This is so frustrating and just makes you feel pretty disheartened. What's the point of getting the minimum number of clues when they are so heavy in certain regions that you can't do them anyway?

I was planning on unlocking Freminnik for my final area this weekend but it seems like I'm going to be pigeonholed into taking Asgarnia because, if I don't, I will barely be able to finish any clue scrolls at all. It doesn't feel fair to basically force players to take certain areas in order to even really use the relic they chose. This isn't something like a certain weapon to get, boss to kill, or way to train a skill. This is the relic we chose which should be helpful in every area, not just a few of them.

14-Nov-2020 02:39:27 - Last edited on 14-Nov-2020 02:44:30 by Aliza

Herbiletics

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As someone who runs two separate accounts and picked the different T4 on both, I have no idea why clue scroll drop rates where buffed on US to start with. It made sense to direct one relic towards slayer monsters, exp rates, superiors etc while the other affected nothing but clue scroll related content, but instead you've decided to give the same type of buff to both relics.

It doesn't feel like it should be a difficult decision. Remove the guaranteed clue drop for superiors. And area-lock clue scrolls to make them actually completable. Without area-locking clues, you're forcing players to pick an area like Kandarin simply because of the clue possibilities and removing the possibility for some unique builds.

As it stands I have banked about 150 scroll boxes on this account because I know full well without area-locking, there's a very tiny chance I'll be completing any elite's, and hardly any hards and this is mainly due to wildy steps.

At the end of the day, players already stand to gain a hell of a lot more from picking the US relic through superior drops, then anybody can hope to get out of a clue scroll. So even tipping the scales more towards TS doesn't mean we're going to get an unfair advantage in any way. Pretty sure most people who picked TS thought you'd have had the same brains with Trailblazer as you did with Twisted and this should never have made it to being an issue in the first place.

14-Nov-2020 04:21:31

Tzuriel
Jan Member 2022

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I feel like the best solution is to either nerf US's perk of guaranteeing a clue drop from superior slayer creatures, or to simply buff TS with an additional perk.

Speaking as somebody who picked the Unnatural Selection relic, my reasoning was simple: it was objectively the strongest pick, with comparable drop rates to TS on tasks featuring superior creatures.

The sad truth of the matter is that it's simply too late to please everyone. I feel TS would need an additional perk to make it enticing, such as guaranteed max reward roll or a base increased chance for a unique reward; or both. If TS receives such a perk, it would still be the better choice for clue hunters, meaning the first proposal wouldn't swing the favour towards those with US.
This would potentially mean that those who initially wanted to pick TS and went with US due to its stronger immediate perks may end up regretting their choice, but let's not forget that it still retains the perk of guaranteeing a clue drop from superior creatures.

As it stands, we're straddled with nearly incompletable clues on both ends. The second proposal alleviates some of the busywork of actually attaining completion, but it doesn't solve the underlying problem by itself.
If you're unwilling to alter the TS relic in any way, my vote goes to leaving it for the next league. If, on the other hand, you're willing to look into it, then you might reconsider the first proposal again. Food for thought.

14-Nov-2020 04:53:33

Timaaaay
Jun Member 2022

Timaaaay

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Regardless of the changes/changes made if any are even done, I feel like people should be given the chance to re-choose the T4 relic as the people who thought TS would be any good may be regretting their decision big time due to the lack of ACTUAL perks.

14-Nov-2020 05:05:47

RedFoXRicky
Mar Member 2024

RedFoXRicky

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I usually don't reply in the forum but this has my support, not too powerful but definitely makes "treasure hunter" relic more viable.

If this gets a poll, almost everyone who didn't pick the relic would vote no to the proposal but I don't see any way around it.

People don't like the feeling of them picking the "wrong" relic, I am happy that the old-school team is trying to make all relics at least a bit viable.

With the information gathered from the league, I hope they makes changes to the main game and balance accordingly.

That being said the area locked clue steps is the best in my opinion.

14-Nov-2020 06:46:11 - Last edited on 14-Nov-2020 06:57:51 by RedFoXRicky

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