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Amygdala MD

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Home Lander said :
Amygdala MD said :
Home Lander said :
Just play OSRS. Start over and stop complaining, it's already gone too far.

If all RS3 players would do that, where do you think they're going to grab their MTX money next?

The fact more people will be buying memberships and or bonds. RS3 lost so many players so they made up for it with MTX updates. OSRS is much cheaper to maintain thus making it less likely to ever need MTX updates to keep it viable.

Last year they may 28.8 million GBP profit after taxes, so also for RS3 MTX is not needed to its current extent. So the next question for you, do you really expect a business to accept such a big drop in net profit would RS3 completely cripple?

In addition to that, a considerable factor with cost in RS3 is its graphics. Amongst OSRS players there is a certain yearning for updates graphics as well, see for example the HD client that was warmly received by the playerbase earlier this year. Which gives to question, especially if more RS3 players would switch to OSRS, what would happen if RS3 graphics were polled for OSRS?

24-Oct-2017 13:57:22

Big Storms

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To further elaborate on why I find the action of 'experimenting' with the removal of Second chance Tuesdays laughable (page 18), I thought it is best shown in the calender of the last 4 years of promotions (courtesy of other media):


The arrow shows to which state of promotions they are willing to revert through their 'experimenting', this being the state that started july 2016. Note that this calender does not go back to 2012: including these years would make the situation look even worse. And this is why I do not buy the "making sure it does not dent our revenue" talk, since we all know the profit made over 2016.
It gives the impression investors do not want to part with single bit of revenue, slowly ruining the game in the process. "One should not mindlessly follow gods or the godless:
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24-Oct-2017 14:14:21 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2017 14:23:22 by Big Storms

4 Inch Fury

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This was the Jagex I remember and respected...
Now, 10 years later the same Jagex promotes Real World Trading as main revenue, through gambling and XP selling to players. The exact same thing you advocated against so strongly 10 years ago.
Its crystal clear to all of us. The revenue of MTX has blurred your moral standpoints significantly, and effectively turned you into money hungry hypocrites.

As a loyal player, it hurts me to say this to the content creators I well respected and looked up to.
It is a sad situation to say the least. A situation caused by poor decision making, and the absence of sticking to your own core visions.
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24-Oct-2017 15:21:24 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2017 15:36:30 by 4 Inch Fury

Kemtros
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"After all, the more players we have the less reliance there is on MTX revenue."

For the most part I couldn't care much about what else was said. Though I missed the Prize Pools, and yikes that sounded like a poor design choice. However, that sentence in particular finally addresses something that I think Jagex has taken way too long to accept. MTX is used as a crutch to make up the difference for a lack of revenue from membership.

As soon as I saw this article, I decided to look up loot boxes, since games like Shadow of War and Battlefront II have recently shown just how much developers have earned scorn from their obsession with gambling. Curtailing some of the MTX promotions and "revising" Treasure Hunter (Which only even exists because Squeal of Fortune was so bad that players voted to kill Yelps themselves in The Mighty Fall) do not resolve the issue.

This is a stopgap measure. It's trying to halt the problems before the escalate even further, but it does not remove the problems entirely.

24-Oct-2017 16:16:10

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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Realistically, no matter how much you don't like MTX, it is the main avenue all the online games make their money since at least 5 years ago. It won't go away... and will only get "worse" as you can see how Blizzard "abused" it and sell everything you can think of such as near maxed level characters, near endgame Overwatch items in lockboxes and Hearthstone packs by way of tokens, etc, etc.

If you are weeping against Treasure Hunter now, you better believe you will be crying a river in the future... but before you blame Jagex for selling xp, you better realize it was the greedy players who started selling xp openly in the game by way of "selling DG floor..." and "boss/minigame leeching services..." etc. Seriously, if I have to pay the players to leech a DG floor or minigame I will rather pay Jagex to get my xp.

24-Oct-2017 16:32:41 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2017 17:18:29 by Dilbert2001

BottledShark
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bro you are so wrong with what you said about leeching.... people still had to earn in game gold to pay for the leech and sit there while someone did the dungeon so it wasnt boom paid for 100k xp like chests are i opened my daily 2 and got 150k xp for doing jack.... the game is a mess because of this

24-Oct-2017 17:14:34

Dilbert2001
Jun Member 2006

Dilbert2001

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BottledShark said :
bro you are so wrong with what you said about leeching.... people still had to earn in game gold to pay for the leech and sit there while someone did the dungeon so it wasnt boom paid for 100k xp like chests are i opened my daily 2 and got 150k xp for doing jack.... the game is a mess because of this

Players can earn in game gold and buy bonds and use them on Treasure Hunter keys. It is the same thing. Likewise, players can buy bonds and sell them for in game gold to pay for leeching services. It is still the same thing.

If you have to look for the difference... here it is... At least Jagex allows players to complain about their selling of xp in the forums but leeching services don't even allow any player to complain about their practices and prices in the forums.

24-Oct-2017 17:20:39 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2017 17:22:47 by Dilbert2001

Mondus

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"While MTX in RuneScape is essential to maintaining our development teams and the content they produce..."

The membership of 200k players each months brings in $1.2m every month if the average is $6 for a month. 200k members should cover RS3 and OSRS easily, maybe even more.

I barley think you spend ~$1m every month on salaries and servers. I can't think of any other expenses.

One thing you could do is to make Membership $1 more expensive for each month which will get you even more money and I don't think most people mind it.
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24-Oct-2017 17:22:12

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