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" MTX is a major part of the game’s income and directly relates to the amount we can invest into its continued development."

So you're saying none of this income goes to development of other games (osrs), doubtful. Introduce MTX on other games.
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24-Oct-2017 18:24:17

Wendie

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As a cosmetics collector, I know I don't represent the majority of the community when it comes to MTX. But there is a number of us who can empathize with the players frustrated with the OP XP promos on TH.

I'm excited to see what direction you take TH and MTX in general in. But please do not shift the pressure to buy from XP to cosmetics. This doesn't actually change anything, it just puts the pressure on a different demographic of players, and an even smaller, less wealthy demographic.

The balance has to change. But this Ghostweave promo is what I sense is the beginning of a string of cosmetic promos that are high pressure to buy keys, and still continue to leech off players in an unhealthy way.

24-Oct-2017 18:29:40

Scott Gee
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We should hold each other accountable as players. Why does all blame get placed on Jagex? It is us players who buy the spins and bonds. If we all stop buying in to the promos then all of these problems are solved. • Scott Gee

24-Oct-2017 19:04:00

Wendie

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In a perfect world, yes that would work. But the reality is, there are people who DO use these promos, and DO pay money, which is why Jagex keeps running them. They would not run promotions that don't make enough money to justify the angry player base. Which is why it is Jagex's responsibility to moderate the promotions they run and find a balance between what keeps nonMTX players happy as well as brings in money from the players who do take advantage of MTX.

24-Oct-2017 19:39:18

Rabpyre
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Ghosttalon said :


Source? Not that I don't believe that is the net desired effect.

Regardless of where they are, corporations are no different, and their business model is to use as many other businesses and people as they can as a "cash cow".

That's not to say I don't despise mtx, but you're all just now having a fit, after 5 years? What did you expect to happen?


Unfortunately I did not save the source at the time. It was taken from a video interview on one of the financial or VC papers' web site (and used as their headline) and I have not been able to find it again today. It is correct, though. From a corporate point of view being able to buy a cash cow is of course positive. As an RS player, who see considerable under-investment in the game at the same time as record profits are made from the game, it makes me react negatively. There is a fine balance between profit-taking and exploitation of your customer base (which will eventually lead to the loss of it).

Like many others I have found it increasingly alarming that players are able to buy levels, etc, rather than coming up through the ranks by grinding, mostly while engaging in friendly social interaction. I have played since 2004 and seen the game evolve from a game where you made many friends and engaged at a human level without giving efficiency much thought, to a race towards completion - and what? Killing monsters in a limping and slow game engine over and over to gather billions of gp? I mean, other games have better gameplay and more interesting bosses than Runescape. So, in my view the ability to real-world-trade your way to the end game has a very destructive effect which has become increasingly evident over the past few years. I don't write many rant-type posts so dipping my quill is not my first reaction to something potentially negative, hence the five years :) .

24-Oct-2017 20:02:23

Wendie

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To be fair, when Jagex says that the introduction of MTX was necessary for the survival of the game, I think that is a fair estimation. Bonds especially allowed players to legitimately buy ingame currency and effectively killed a lot of the big time gold farming operations.

When MTX was introduced it was during a time of relative decline in player activity BECAUSE people weren't terribly interested in the grind.

While MTX was once necessary for the revival of content, and perhaps the continued survival of the game, it's certainly not necessary on the scale it's gotten to.

And not everyone was complacent during these last 5 years. People have been saying ever since the introduction of SoF that it's a slippery slope, please don't fall down it. And yet here we are, at the bottom of the mountain. As MTX has been steadily growing in focus, player disagreement has grown. And finally culminated in the gambling promotion of last month as the straw that broke the camel's back.

Plus, I think as a whole, players are realizing MTX is creeping more and more into every game. Lootboxes are not a rarity, they're the norm. Pay to win is being introduced in AAA mainstream titles. Gamers as a whole are retaliating. And I think this has added fuel to the fire against MTX as players who previously didn't see how bad it can possibly get are starting to see the whole industry follow a dangerous and unhealthy trend. So now you have even more people speaking out against MTX in not only RS but all over gaming in general.

24-Oct-2017 20:55:43

Daeglijcx
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Thank you for your response Jagex.

Although, the complains are right about jagex not communicating and MTX indeed crossed a line now with the recent promo, SOME people are just acting like a little cry baby about all this.
People want NXT, Mobile, A lot of updates, And all that in stunning graphics and high end quality, with a lot of servers, where a lot of JMods are needed. This costs money, so MTX is not essential but necessary for runescape3.
People should realize this is gaming anno 2017. And many developers use MTX to keep their game being supported, or even alive. Even games you buy on your game consoles use mtx.

Aswell, I think people should not be complaining about OSRS,
OSRS has less servers, a smaller team, no high end graphics and so costs less money, and people buy bonds and membership there too. which is around or close to half the player base (if i am not mistaken here)

Both versions of the game are necessary to keep a healthy runescape and jagex overall.

i played runescape since 2005 (different accounts as well), so I've seen the game evolve.
I don't like mtx in rs either, so i tend to see RS3 as a different game than what RuneScape means for me. ;) That mostly is because of the Graphics and Eoc (not hating it, it just isn't the 'runescape feeling' for me, so thank you for OldSkool :) )

bear in mind
i like both versions of the game. RS3 for lore and questing. OSRS for the runescape experience overall, (pking, minigames, grinding, old animation model and old graphics)

This November event is great though in lumby, you don't need to buy some sort of stamina things like ice cream to cool you down to participate longer in the event. I expected to see some sort of that on treasure hunter this month, but it didn't, so.. that's a positive thing to see :)

Mayby jagex can increase the monthly membership fee and bond price, and do less mtx.
By showing us a table with different options of the prices and mtx rate. and then poll it.

24-Oct-2017 21:18:17

Wendie

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Daeglijcx said :

Although, the complains are right about jagex not communicating and MTX indeed crossed a line now with the recent promo, SOME people are just acting like a little cry baby about all this.
People want NXT, Mobile, A lot of updates, And all that in stunning graphics and high end quality, with a lot of servers, where a lot of JMods are needed. This costs money, so MTX is not essential but necessary for runescape3.
People should realize this is gaming anno 2017. And many developers use MTX to keep their game being supported, or even alive. Even games you buy on your game consoles use mtx.


The issue people have is not MTX itself. It's the excess of MTX. I don't think anyone would argue that MTX in gaming (in general not just in RS) isn't essential for many games in today's gaming climate. When you look at how much money Jagex makes from RS3 (upwards of 10mil a year since MTX introduction - 2016 brought in a whopping £57.9m gross) you wonder how much of that goes back into the game. You wonder how much of that is being used to support other projects by Jagex, like FunOrb and OSRS and mystery unnanounced MMO, and how much of that is lining shareholders' pockets. .

Other mainstream games that use MTX and lootbox systems rake in upwards of several mill, some surpassing the billion dollar mark. You can't really expect all this money is essential to the operation of these games. These companies could easily scale back their MTX, continue to operate the same, and still turn a profit. The issue is when MTX is scaled back, parent companies and shareholders make less money. It hardly ever affects the quality of content

24-Oct-2017 21:44:33 - Last edited on 24-Oct-2017 21:49:52 by Wendie

SekaiSeifu
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pfp said :
" MTX is a major part of the game’s income and directly relates to the amount we can invest into its continued development."

So you're saying none of this income goes to development of other games (osrs), doubtful. Introduce MTX on other games.


I doubt it, OSRS has the larger playerbase with lower development costs, they dont need your dirty mtx money.

24-Oct-2017 22:07:35

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