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Jakir

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Ren_Derek said :
Great thread, Wolfie! Loved the detail, especially on matters this esoteric. One thing to note on the nature of Bik is to recall what Zaros says of the Elder Gods. They can not see the future, which led to them not being able to predict all of the goings-on of Gielinor. This is what gives the Empty Lord his confidence in his ability to persuade or stop the Elders from wreaking havoc.

Would this affect Bik's ability to "change" time? And is he capable of moving back and forth through time at will anyway?

Otherwise, keep up the good work!

There are conflicting confirmations on this as it was confirmed that Guthix could see the future (to an extent). So if he could the Elder Gods certainly should be able to. Especially given that they seem to embody time itself.

Unless Elder God s can not see the future and only Jas has that ability and Guthix was exposed to the Stone for so long he gained some of that ability. Hmmm need to ponder this more.

09-Jun-2015 21:38:47

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It would be interesting if the Elder Gods had certain limitations that mere mortals were able to overpass. There would have to be some setback for us to be able to overcome them if it comes to open combat.
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10-Jun-2015 02:34:39

Jakir

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Ren_Derek said :
It would be interesting if the Elder Gods had certain limitations that mere mortals were able to overpass. There would have to be some setback for us to be able to overcome them if it comes to open combat.

I get the feeling we will overcome them because:

a) We vastly outnumber them and while we are vastly outmatched by them in terms of power we can do many different things at once they can't keep up with. ("We" referring to everyone preparing to fight to survive which includes Xenia, the entire Fremennik afterlife, Zaros, and I'm assuming everyone that doesn't want to die)

b) We are their power source so their own source of power is struggling against them.

c) I get the feeling Elder Gods are big picture kinda beings and easily overlook small things like discarding unwanted Elder Artifacts and creating Gods that might oppose them and even creating sentient life by mistake. This inattention to detail will and has definitely given us an edge.

11-Jun-2015 00:47:13

Shadoliax
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Ren_Derek said :
It would be interesting if the Elder Gods had certain limitations that mere mortals were able to overpass. There would have to be some setback for us to be able to overcome them if it comes to open combat.

I've always had the feeling that while gods obviously possess more raw power, mortals have the ability to research and understand magic and thus cast "finer tuned spells" that can achieve effects gods never achieved(banks, Commorbs) or perform magic gods require higher tiers to achieve(anima alterations, portals). Mortals can work in groups(most gods seem too arrogant to actually pull it off), and can build magical machines(Invention, vis wax).

Ultimately it wouldn't surprise me if mortal mages knew more about the world than its Eldritch Abomination creators.

15-Jul-2015 22:25:49

Jakir

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Shadoliax said :
Ren_Derek said :
It would be interesting if the Elder Gods had certain limitations that mere mortals were able to overpass. There would have to be some setback for us to be able to overcome them if it comes to open combat.

I've always had the feeling that while gods obviously possess more raw power, mortals have the ability to research and understand magic and thus cast "finer tuned spells" that can achieve effects gods never achieved(banks, Commorbs) or perform magic gods require higher tiers to achieve(anima alterations, portals). Mortals can work in groups(most gods seem too arrogant to actually pull it off), and can build magical machines(Invention, vis wax).

Ultimately it wouldn't surprise me if mortal mages knew more about the world than its Eldritch Abomination creators.

Hmm I tend to agree that while Gods are stronger mortals tend to have more maneuverability and improvisation in their methods. Although Gods have had centuries (usually thousands of years) to research magic so I find it hard to believe we would have more knowledge than them but I guess that is what invention will be.

17-Jul-2015 00:11:27

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Very good read and well-detailed. I always figured that the Elder Gods had to have some animalistic behaviors. They don't have anything against us personally. We're just their food.

By the way, I apologize if my other thread "Breaking down RS Cosmology" is too similar. (It's a lot shorter, only covering the layout of the universe and alternate timelines.) I initially couldn't find threads like these after doing a quick search, so I ended up making my own. Indie Game Developer, Worldbuilder
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01-Sep-2015 13:57:47 - Last edited on 01-Sep-2015 14:14:19 by Krayfishkarl

Jakir

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Krayfishkarl said :
Very good read and well-detailed. I always figured that the Elder Gods had to have some animalistic behaviors. They don't have anything against us personally. We're just their food.

By the way, I apologize if my other thread "Breaking down RS Cosmology" is too similar. (It's a lot shorter, only covering the layout of the universe and alternate timelines.) I initially couldn't find threads like these after doing a quick search, so I ended up making my own.

It is comforting someone else drew the same conclusion. It makes it more likely to be correct.

02-Sep-2015 00:33:57

Solarieth
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I wonder how accurate this future sight ability is.
If guthix could see the future - how far could he see? and how accurate would it be?

I imagine the further into the future you look, the less accurate it is, as more possibilities show themselves. Life's a
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25-Sep-2015 11:55:25

Jakir

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Solarieth said :
I wonder how accurate this future sight ability is.
If guthix could see the future - how far could he see? and how accurate would it be?

I imagine the further into the future you look, the less accurate it is, as more possibilities show themselves.

Also he did have some direct knowledge of the future as a result of TLW. Which makes me wonder if perhaps we don't return to the past for a future quest making a big impact and then leaving again. People would miss us after we left assuming we made a big impact and perhaps might even assume us to be dead and throw us a funeral... a certain Balance Elemental might attend... anyways I suspect we may meet Guthix in the past again and give him even more future knowledge ontop of what he can already glimpse.

25-Sep-2015 22:37:37

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