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Oggieyiey3
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Good thread. I look forward to seeing how the theory develops.

As someone already pointed out, there is evidence to say spell books are created by people, not gods. I remember seeing that spell books are collections of spells that are grouped together for convenience. I don't currently have the source for that. Also, I remember reading that mahjarrat are made of shadow, smoke, blood, and ice (I think desert treasure). Azzanadra, not Zaros, gives us ancient magic, so the difference in elemental spells could be due to the fact it was used by mahjarrat, or at least in an empire where mahjarrat were very influential magicians. I don't quite have a theory about ancient magic fully formed yet. If humans create spell books, that would also explain the "mixed" daemonheim spell book.

Another thing I would like to point out is the moonclan manual. This book says the moon clan can use magic without runes. I remember on the old game guide it was stated runes were not needed for magic, they just helped focus a novices attention to a specific purpose. (This may no longer be canon) The manual also says the moonclan can focus an element into rune essence to create a rune, and the temples were constructed using this technique at places where the particular elemental energy is very strong. This supports the idea of rune essence as a magical receptacle.

Lastly, I'd like to take a look at the familiarization d+d. In it you collect shards, and your time in the spirit realm is limited by your mental capacity. This implies to me that shards are what make the connection between your mind and the familiar, and allow you to focus on creating it. The charm would correspond to the anima, or energy, and the tertiary ingredient gives it a specific form.

Good luck with the theory.

Sir Oggieyiey the third
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29-Sep-2015 19:49:42

Jakir

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According to the recent lore & history Blood Magic came from the Vampyres which were the second people Zaros mentioned encountering and he did not meet Mahjarrat until he made it to Gielinor. So it seems most likely that the Vampyres were taught blood magic by Zaros and Mahjarrat are made up of the same 4 elements of the Zarosian spellbook because Zaros and the Mahjarrat have the same creator.

As for Azzanadra giving us the Ancient Spellbook I did make a theory how the prayer sharing via altars works and memory manipulation if you care to read it. Seems like you may have missed it.

Runes do contain some energy, but mostly they are just a template to help people shape their powers and give spells the components they need. If you read my mortal to ascended section I theorize that the better one gets at shaping magic/anima the closer they come to being a divine being.

As for shards they could simply be providing you more power thus strengthening your connection and reliving the pressure allowing you to focus more.

Thanks for the response!

30-Sep-2015 20:35:52

Half Centaur
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Jakir said :


In Above the Lore Podcast #0 in a Runeradio interview with Mod Osborne at 46 minutes in (Everyone thank Half Centaur for kicking me from a fc because I was doing pvm and couldn't source this fast enough and motivating me to make this thread) he says that spellbooks are affiliated with Gods and with more Gods the potential for more Spell/Prayer Books exist.


Feel the need to address this.

For starters, I kicked you because you were insulting me after being warned to stop. I warned you multiple times, and then attempted to ask you for evidence, you then called me dumb for not seeing it when I continued to press you on this.

I would never deny that the spell books or prayer books are affiliated with gods, however that wasn't the argument you made. You said that people in some way need gods to have or create spells, which just isn't true. I'd argue that the information we've seen about the Lunar spell book and V (in his day only simple wind and water spells), and the wizard's tower creating spells directly proves my point.


Now, as for why we only remember a specific amount at a time, then we can start talking gods. Say that the player character at one point was taught/memorized the standard spell book, committing it to memory after receiving information of it at some time in their past (probably from a school teacher or wizard of some sort, it is important ciriculum), and the intricacies of the overall book movements are such that you need to be deeply familiar with the book as a whole to cast spells from it.

God's or other magics, could potentially replace this knowledge- which is what we do when we swap spell books. removing our old memories of one book and replacing them with another. It isn't free knowledge, since they have to overwrite your previous spellbook. "We call it being a hero"
"That's interesting, we call it utter stupidity"

19-Jan-2016 21:34:05

Jakir

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Half Centaur said :
For starters, I kicked you because you were insulting me after being warned to stop. I warned you multiple times, and then attempted to ask you for evidence, you then called me dumb for not seeing it when I continued to press you on this.

No, you demanded I source it immediately multiple times and called me a liar because I said I was doing pvm and couldn't be bothered to drop everything for you. Then after you demanded I source it at once for the tenth time I made fun of your total inability to comprehend the term "later" and how if you couldn't understand that simple concept then you probably couldn't understand any mildly intricate lore theory. So on top of being self absorbed (insisting I drop everything for you) and rude (calling me a liar when I explained multiple times I didn't have time and would source it later) you backed up your wonderful personality with power abuse and kicked me (For pushing back after taking your crap multiple times). And yet you still claim I'm the bad guy because I wouldn't immediately drop everything to kiss your ***. You're a jerk and you should feel bad.

20-Jan-2016 20:39:47 - Last edited on 20-Jan-2016 20:47:37 by Jakir

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01-Aug-2016 01:08:49

Jakir

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[#0MGFV81HT] said :
Don't know why this keeps getting bumped, so all I'm going to say is someone (AttilaSquare) is developing a thread like this one but apparently in more detail. I guess discussion about magic would move to that thread once it is complete, I've already seen a rough draft and it's pretty big.

I hadn't bumped it in ages so I'm not sure why it would be at the top if no one was commenting (So you bumped it to complain about it getting bumped???). And there is nothing wrong with having two different theories about magic. It is a big and complicated subject and leaves a lot of room for interpretation.

Also I wouldn't say Attila's thread is more likely to be correct than my own. I love his threads and the detail he puts into them but it seems like he takes whatever he learned in class/studied on his own and tries to make rs lore fit that whereas I take a look at rs itself and make conclusions logically from that. If anything I think that makes my theories "more likely" to turn out to be correct.

The truth behind who will be correct (if either of us) ultimately doesn't have anything to do with our reasoning though. It simply comes down to if a game dev is working on something and thinks "oh, this'll be fun" or "I'll just write this like that" and it doesn't get veto'd by Mod Ozzy. Game devs just make up the updates as they go based on fun. (Another reason I think my less wordy theories would be more appealing as the general playerbase simply wouldn't be able to follow Attila's writing.)

06-May-2017 05:16:05 - Last edited on 06-May-2017 05:16:58 by Jakir

AttilaSquare

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I agree with these statements: Jakir said :
there is nothing wrong with having two different theories about magic. It is a big and complicated subject and leaves a lot of room for interpretation. Jakir said :
I think my less wordy theories would be more appealing as the general playerbase simply wouldn't be able to follow Attila's writing. Although this is not exactly what you said, the following statement is untrue: Jakir said :
he takes whatever he learned in class/studied on his own and tries to make rs lore fit. I only share on here what I think is fitting for the deepening of the lore, and when I started doing this what I thought would deepen the rs lore determined my choice of what to study.

I am glad to see this thread bumped, even gravebumped, because there is so little metaphysical discussion recently, and the Lore Council does not seem to be interested in responding to complex theories.

06-May-2017 13:00:21

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