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Poppy Jungle

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One issue I see with this is that, as stated by JMods and in-game characters (I believe Zaros and Kerapac in particular) that our universe isn't the first one, and that the Elder Gods are older than the universe itself; they create universes, sleep, and then wake up, eating all the anima that the universe has generated, destroying that universe, and beginning anew.

21-May-2015 13:30:50

Jakir

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Poppy Jungle said :
One issue I see with this is that, as stated by JMods and in-game characters (I believe Zaros and Kerapac in particular) that our universe isn't the first one, and that the Elder Gods are older than the universe itself; they create universes, sleep, and then wake up, eating all the anima that the universe has generated, destroying that universe, and beginning anew.

They were just talking about the planets otherwise Freneskae wouldn't exist.

21-May-2015 21:36:31

Miss Alaska

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Profiled because you write a lot of stuff boy.
And to protect the Stone until such a time as, near to death, whereby you are relieved of all duties and shall henceforth be returned to your home plane with the gratitude and blessings of Guthix.

25-May-2015 04:59:16

AttilaSquare

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Hey, Wolfie,

This is a good thread. I wrote a thread seven years ago with a really similar structure, given the lore at the time: planar theory, magic theory, and demonology. I like many of your thoughts, but I have some objections too, which I'll share below.

First, I have a small reservation with regard your treatment of runestones as 'vessels.' I think this is a good metaphor, but more strictly I would describe them as aids for focusing or directing our attention, so that they do not literally 'contain' any magical 'energy' (or whatever other metaphor we use for magic). I think the best analogy for runestones is this: runestones are like words. Contrary to much thought of the past century, phenomenological research and psychological studies are showing that we are capable of complex, conceptual reasoning without language, but humans are best equipped for complex, conceptual reasoning by employing language. Likewise with magic and runestones.

Second, I like your description of the universe being alive. Elsewhere I have proposed an alternative origin story. But I would want to think of the composition of the elder goddesses like this: they are essentially anima, i.e. spirits, incorporeal as you call them. But for living creatures of tier 1 and tier 2, they may leave their bodies and take another, so creatures of these tiers are only accidentally , i.e. not essentially, related to their bodies. When they do have bodies, I would describe these as their own creations, made of sacred clay, which they animate by the very anima which they are.

25-May-2015 18:39:59

AttilaSquare

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WARNING: This paragraph is a bit of rambling philosophy.
Whether sacred clay is itself a kind of 'anima mud,' or special, ultimately-basic form of anima is a really interesting question. I have been approaching both magic and anima as intelligible and motivational/causal aspects of the multiverse (I'm not exactly clear on how to distinguish them) and clay as the mere potentiality for embodiment - not like atoms or quarks or other fundamental particles or strings, but more like 'prime matter.' So, following this analogy, I could restate your question: Is materiality/embodiment some furthest or most obscure degree of intelligibility?

Third, I really like your drawing attention to the specific phenomenon of life. Are you familiar with Aristotle's De Anima ? That's precisely the topic of much of the book.

I like the attention you give to memory and to the various interpretations of summoning. You've gathered an impressive amount of research here.

25-May-2015 18:40:17

AttilaSquare

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Jakir said :
Another thing to note is that when Zamorak blew up Forinthry and damaged the Anima of the area so nothing living could ever grow there again that damage also evidently disconnected the area from the afterlife and as a result those that die in the wilderness do not enter the afterlife and return as revenants or end up stuck in some other way like as slaves to the Corporeal Beast. (Credit to AttilaSquare for coming up with this theory in his Planar Theory thread).

Thank you for the reference with regard to the afterlife! I hadn't thought about the spirit beast's realm in ages, and it might be really helpful for my work on anima. I might have a thread like this one to post soon...but there is just so much to think about!

I'm hoping to have some radically new thoughts on why a god loses his or her access to the afterlife upon ascension. The main question I'd like to address is: What is the relation between magic and anima, and how should we understand what they are?

25-May-2015 18:41:32

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