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SwedishPagns

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Ancient Drew said :
But seriously, this is why we need another Saradomin quest where we get to Teragard. I want to see if we're capable of building robots, the elves in Prifddinas could. :P

I'd love a Teragard quest too, not "because invention" (sorry, that's my least favourite skill, it's on par with that minigame dungeoneering IMO) but because I'd like to visit the plane where my race originated and learn more about my heritage. ·
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13-Dec-2016 22:26:50 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2016 22:31:04 by SwedishPagns

Lego Miester
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Zulkir said :
Final point, Zaros wasn't furious over losing his shot at revenge, you seem to of forgotten Zamorak fired first

Fair enough. We may never know whether Zamorak was justified in his fear that Zaros was just going to use the mahjarrat for his own gains and not follow through on his promise. It certainly seems like whatever his original plans were, Zamorak forced him to improvise.

Ancient Drew said :
But seriously, this is why we need another Saradomin quest where we get to Teragard. I want to see if we're capable of building robots, the elves in Prifddinas could. :P

Teragard is right up there next to the avianse homeworld for places I want to visit next. Even moreso than the eastern lands. Headcanon Haven, where everything is made up and the points don't matter.
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14-Dec-2016 07:00:43 - Last edited on 14-Dec-2016 07:05:59 by Lego Miester

Sepulchre
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Lego Miester said :
Hguoh said :
No refutation of Zamorak's accusation? Guess I just imagined this:

Zaros: Oh, but it is repeating itself. I will make sure it is different this time though , Zamorak.


I mean he gets there eventually , but he starts off mostly with threats and intimidation tactics. The same sort of things he used to try to control Zamorak at the throne room.

He had an opportunity to defuse the situation by explaining himself, and didn't. He wanted to kill Zamorak. Only later in the conversation did Zaros shift to "maybe I can still get some use out of him" and swapped to sympathy mode to try to win him over.

I'm still rereading and analyzing it from transcripts and youtube videos, which is why I waited a while before posting this thread so stuff like that was available. You will recall that Zamorak is kinda like Han Solo in the original New Hope.

He shot first. :P A
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16-Dec-2016 03:40:22

Sepulchre
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Zulkir said :
It should come as no surprise that my opinion of Zaros has improved. The ritual after all was HIS idea, one Zamorak BEGGED the Mahjarrat not to attend, which led to their salvation.

Like it or not, get angry and bust a blood vessel or two, Zaros is their saviour. Whats not to praise?

The "What...no" comment was because while Zaros was bringing Zamorak to heel like a good lesser excuse for a god, the latter was using their godly power to empower the Mahjarrat, if Zaros had killed him it would of been seen as stopping the Mahjarrat from getting help, it would of made Zamorak a martyr. Something Zaros said he refused to do. Pretty obvious thing to do.

As for the pact this is first hand seeing Zaros in his element, and it was grand. Zamorak knew he had no choice but to obey else face oblivion, and both signing parties accepted the terms ending with Zamorak writing Zaros a blank cheque. This isn't a negative, this is sore asses over being under Zaros's foot.

Final point, Zaros wasn't furious over losing his shot at revenge, you seem to of forgotten Zamorak fired first and got his pride and body mutilated as a result of thinking he could stand up to him without his little stick.

If Zaros gets mad, something we've seen only once during TLW the very planet shakes, it was Seren who was distraught after the events of COM, not Zaros. Id say he left pretty content. He achieved his objective, put a lesser in his place, and obtained something useful for his plans later on. Yeah really, and stopping Seren was so "Omg you chose her over them?!"
Uhm.. He literally saved all of us from 110% certain death. Guys pls, get a clue. :P A
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16-Dec-2016 03:44:16

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How did it change my views? Not much.
In the end, Zaros can't defy what he is, just as Seren cannot. Arrogance is built into Him just as over-protectiveness is built into Her. A yearning to be in control is built into Him, just as a yearning to care for and love is built into Her.

My point is that none of this is a surprise or change of character to me, just as it shouldn't be to any of you if you payed a damn bit of attention to anything that talks about Zaros. He told us not to confuse Light and Dark with Good and Evil, but he never directly said that they had zero correlation, and the fact that he didn't screams to me "I am kind of a d*ck though, just FYI." He never said he was here to be everybody's best friend, he said he was here to be everybody's guide.

Besides, Zaros didn't really lie at all. Let me show you what I mean. Here's a quote from Zaros, when we were all standing at the Ritual Site outside Ghorrock.

"If you accept, I offer you your pride. I offer you salvation. I offer you freedom from your rituals."
Let's fast forward to the end here. Pride.. check. Salvation.. check. Freedom from rituals..... check.
Hell even in the past, he was pretty blatantly honest.
"Semantics! I simply told you what you needed to hear. You are nothing but glorified mercenaries, fighting for whoever is top of the food chain."
Like it or not, that's 100% true. The Mahjarrat obviously switch sides at the drop of a hat, it happened often enough.
"I seem to remember you running with your tail between your legs the last time you faced me."
No, that one's not Zaros. That was me talking to Zemouregal.. I just threw that one in because damn did it feel good.
Anyway, back to it... "I believe Mah created this ritual marker because she intends for us to use it. We must conduct one final ritual."
What are those first two words? I don't think anymore needs to be said.

(new post, running out of room, lol) A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

16-Dec-2016 04:14:55 - Last edited on 16-Dec-2016 04:15:28 by Sepulchre

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Ancient Drew said :
SwedishPagns said :
Solanumtinkr said :
@ Hazeel Humans have an affinity for Divination. Invention has just come to the fore and if magic vanished tomorrow, I am sure Invention would pick up the slack in short order.

I get that divination is basically putting the memory wisps (Anima from the anti-god barrier + Guthix' memories) back into Gielinor after it started bleeding out after Guthix's death. How does invention line up with the lore of the game? It might have something to do with Teragard. The humans there had no magic and learned to use technology to harness the power of the Schism, which turned out to be a portal. This might mean that humans may learn to use machines to harness memory wisps, and even attune it with good, evil, law, chaos etc. Just like Dr. Fenkenbrain in New Varrock, except using the machines themselves as weapons or powering cities. There might even come a time when Oreb or one of the Magisters appears and shows them how to use such technology.

EDIT: This is also pretty similar to how the dwarves got things done once they lost their magic after Zamorak cursed them. A group of leaders came together and performed a ritual that cut themselves off magic entirely to save them. I'm not sure if Imcando dwarves still have magic (Saradomin managed to save them, so they might still have it but suppress their magic deliberately to avoid persecution), but their tribe became the best smithies. This means that in a technological time, the Saradominists are likely to be the strongest.

The Imcando do have magic; The whole reason the barbarian crusades targeted and nearly wiped them out is because they used to use Superheat Item in their smithing.
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16-Dec-2016 04:15:09

Sepulchre
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"Mah is the drain on your power you have all been feeling. It will not stop while she exists. She cares for you. It is my assessment that she created the marker to draw you here and give you the last of her energy."
Well Mah was the drain on their power, and it wasn't going to stop. There's that special word again "assessment," he's not saying it's fact, he's making a guess. There's no evidence to say if he was wrong anyway. For all we know, she WAS trying to draw them back and give them energy, since she was on her way out the door.

At one point, Zemouregal mocks Azzanadra and the other Zarosians for being controlled by Zaros's aura..
"Wrong. Their loyalty has always been unwavering, despite my complete absence from this world. And Guthix saw to it that I have no effect on you, Sepulchre."
Again, this is true. If the aura was everlasting, Zamorak would never have betrayed him in the first place.. and we would never have the choice to help him or not to.

After all is said and done, Seren comes down and gets angry at Zaros for "causing the death of their mother." (Firstly, you're the one who killed her, you're just as "bad" as your warped brain believes Zaros to be)
"She is truly gone? Then we did her a kindness, Seren. Her entire existence was pain."
Have you heard those screams? Felt those tremors? She's either REALLY ANGRY or in A LOT OF PAIN, and since she didn't just annihilate EVERYTHING, it's obviously not the former.

"Just remember, it was I who gave you this freedom. Under my guidance you have all shattered your limitations. It is...inspiring. But remember, Zamorak, I made good on my promise. For now you belong to me."
Arrogant? Yes. Egotistical? Yup. Self-Serving? Yuh-huh.... False? Nope. This was Zaros's idea, this was Zaros's ritual, and Zaros made good on his promise.


Zaros is many things.. A liar is apparently not one of them. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

16-Dec-2016 04:41:56 - Last edited on 16-Dec-2016 04:42:44 by Sepulchre

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Sepulchre said :
Zaros is many things.. A liar is apparently not one of them.
Raleirosen said :
Whether or not it's truly a lie, by the strict definition of the word, is meaningless; the intention to deceive/manipulate is what counts. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

16-Dec-2016 10:03:40

Sepulchre
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Raleirosen said :
Sepulchre said :
Zaros is many things.. A liar is apparently not one of them.
Raleirosen said :
Whether or not it's truly a lie, by the strict definition of the word, is meaningless; the intention to deceive/manipulate is what counts. Truth lives in the eye of the beholder, my dear.
Those who count only on intention would burn the world if they could call it a mistake.

Intentions are meaningless. Results are the only things that live on. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

16-Dec-2016 22:51:03

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