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Ancient Drew

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Hazeel said :
Now with that said, I am merely speaking from a hypothetical standpoint. From a story standpoint, yes, it would be much more interesting and enjoyable to have to fight off Zaros from achieving his goal and outcon the conman before taking the final fight to Jas and her sisters.

Aig123 said :
If anything, I trust Seren less. She is just as likely to give us the World Guardian special treatment and butter us up as Zaros does, maybe even more so at this point.

Does she? She seems much more willing to chastise me. And to what purpose would she butter the WG up? She doesn't really have any goals or plans to call us up on. I'm more worried about Seren going batshit than buttering me up. She had to live with taking care of Mah, missing and resenting her brother, putting her elves in danger (inadvertently at the time of the Song of Creation), Zaros nearly being killed, Guthix dying, the Dark Lord business, learning about the shapeshifters on Tarddiad and now she made the killing shot on Mah. That can really mess a mind up, and since Seren is equal in power and intelligence to Zaros, it makes for a dangerous mix. So I treat her with respect because I like her, but also extreme caution. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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13-Dec-2016 17:46:04

SwedishPagns

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Padomenes said :
Voraiya said :
Some of you guys are so..idk how to explain...naive during fate of god quest.

Shit, no way. I'm not letting that asshole inside me.

Don't feel bad, Buraito. He's been inside all of us. *lenny face* ·
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13-Dec-2016 17:48:49 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2016 17:49:03 by SwedishPagns

SwedishPagns

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Hazeel said :
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Xenia's plan was terrible IMO. It'd result in no magic.

This is an unfounded theory from a mage who hasn't even mastered the basic spellbook and is contradicted by two much more credible sources (Lunar Clan and Zaros). At best, it's false. At worst, it's moot since we can magic in Freneskae which has little to no anima.

Anima is constantly being generated by living things and if the prescense of one mortal on Freneskae generates enough anima to use magic, then we don't have an issue. The only problem with Xenia's plan is that it's not permanent and you would need to schedule this ritual of removing anima indefinetly or until a solution to killing the Elders once and for all is found.

But even if Xenia wanted to keep a constant vaccum that was constantly taking every little bit of anima without pause, anyone with an artifact is immune to this. Since the WG has the measure, we can still use magic and that's all that matters.

You are right about the Freneskae thing. Even with gameplay and storyline segregation, it's still possible to do magic on Freneskae. The Final Ritual from CoM, I think that was magic based, and Zaros and Zamorak were able to fire spells at each other.

But why would you want to stop other Gielinoreans from using magic? ·
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13-Dec-2016 18:27:57

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Hazeel said :
Aig123 said :
If anything, I trust Seren less. She is just as likely to give us the World Guardian special treatment and butter us up as Zaros does, maybe even more so at this point.

Does she? She seems much more willing to chastise me. And to what purpose would she butter the WG up? She doesn't really have any goals or plans to call us up on.

Preventing Zaros' ascension is a goal, how we tie into it.. well maybe we get a choice.

Seren would rather lock herself in a tower than guide her precious elves into battle, so a World Event directly led by her is unlikely. Confronting Zaros, and the Mahjarrat who aren't very fond of her at the moment also sounds like a bad idea.

Realistically, if she wants to stop Zaros. Especially in her 'unstable' state, I would expect something rash and badly planned out. Like a second self destruction moments before Zaros claims the stone. Why would we get 'buttered up'? Other than her clan leaders and Baxtorian, we might be her closest ally. Even our ties to Guthix make us more 'valuable', she may implore us to stop aiding Zaros.

13-Dec-2016 19:59:29

Hazeel

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Ancient Drew said :
I'm more worried about Seren going batshit than buttering me up. She had to live with taking care of Mah, missing and resenting her brother, putting her elves in danger (inadvertently at the time of the Song of Creation), Zaros nearly being killed, Guthix dying, the Dark Lord business, learning about the shapeshifters on Tarddiad and now she made the killing shot on Mah. That can really mess a mind up, and since Seren is equal in power and intelligence to Zaros, it makes for a dangerous mix. So I treat her with respect because I like her, but also extreme caution.

I can agree with this. Seren isn't a manipulative planner like Zaros, but she's an overemotional ticking time bomb that needs to be handled with caution.

SwedishPagns said :
But why would you want to stop other Gielinoreans from using magic?

Every plan regarding removing the Elders have their risks and downsides. Some are greater than others, and if I were to entertain Ariane's consequence as fact, it'd still be one of the lesser drawbacks. As long as I have magic, I'm content. Removing magic from others isn't something I actively seek out, but it doesn't come across as a big loss to me.

Humans are horribly inept at magic with its knowledge being very restricted. There aren't many humans who can perform magic and the corrupt Wizard's Tower has a large monopoly on its study. Seeing it topple would be pleasent, but since so few humans can use magic, the loss of it is minimal. Indeed, if humans were to lose they may begin to technologically adapt like dwarves and create inventions instead of magic. These inventions would be more widely available, benefitting mankind as a whole, rather than a select few.

This is not my ideal vision. Ideally I would like to see magic as common place for all creatures, like it is for Mahjarrat and Demons. But that is not the state of things, so the loss of magic is, to me, rather small. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

13-Dec-2016 20:39:19

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Solanumtinkr said :
@ Hazeel Humans have an affinity for Divination. Invention has just come to the fore and if magic vanished tomorrow, I am sure Invention would pick up the slack in short order.

I get that divination is basically putting the memory wisps (Anima from the anti-god barrier + Guthix' memories) back into Gielinor after it started bleeding out after Guthix's death. How does invention line up with the lore of the game? ·
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13-Dec-2016 21:29:47

SwedishPagns

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@Hazeel Once again, you're right about humans and magic. We're not a magical race, we can do magic, but we have to train a lot harder to do so (unlike Mahjarrat and demons) and a lot of us can't because the Wizards' Tower and Guild holds a monopoly on magic.

But it's not like that everywhere. The Moon Clan is an entire tribe that relies heavily on magic. What would they do? And I can't help but wonder what Ariane (I'm sorry, I'm biased here I'll admit that, she's an NPC I like) would do in the face of that, and for their sake (all their sake not just Ariane, I don't want the Moon Clan to lose their way of life), I'm going to say "yeah, we need magic." ·
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13-Dec-2016 21:52:46 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2016 21:57:40 by SwedishPagns

Ancient Drew

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SwedishPagns said :
Solanumtinkr said :
@ Hazeel Humans have an affinity for Divination. Invention has just come to the fore and if magic vanished tomorrow, I am sure Invention would pick up the slack in short order.

I get that divination is basically putting the memory wisps (Anima from the anti-god barrier + Guthix' memories) back into Gielinor after it started bleeding out after Guthix's death. How does invention line up with the lore of the game? It might have something to do with Teragard. The humans there had no magic and learned to use technology to harness the power of the Schism, which turned out to be a portal. This might mean that humans may learn to use machines to harness memory wisps, and even attune it with good, evil, law, chaos etc. Just like Dr. Fenkenbrain in New Varrock, except using the machines themselves as weapons or powering cities. There might even come a time when Oreb or one of the Magisters appears and shows them how to use such technology.

EDIT: This is also pretty similar to how the dwarves got things done once they lost their magic after Zamorak cursed them. A group of leaders came together and performed a ritual that cut themselves off magic entirely to save them. I'm not sure if Imcando dwarves still have magic (Saradomin managed to save them, so they might still have it but suppress their magic deliberately to avoid persecution), but their tribe became the best smithies. This means that in a technological time, the Saradominists are likely to be the strongest. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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13-Dec-2016 21:54:21 - Last edited on 13-Dec-2016 21:59:01 by Ancient Drew

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