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Raleirosen

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Sepulchre said :
Intentions are meaningless. Results are the only things that live on. Empty platitudes aside, results are indeed what matter most. But if you're going to judge character, intentions are the only reasonable metric you can use. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

17-Dec-2016 00:26:15

Sepulchre
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Sepulchre

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Raleirosen said :
Sepulchre said :
Intentions are meaningless. Results are the only things that live on. Empty platitudes aside, results are indeed what matter most. But if you're going to judge character, intentions are the only reasonable metric you can use. Unless you go by honesty. Which is conveniently ignored to suit your purposes.

Seriously, ignoring the obvious to make myself seem smart is my shtick, back off. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

17-Dec-2016 00:40:41

Ancient Drew

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I like to differentiate myself from other Zarosians by valuing morality. This is because I believe strongly in long term effects and consequences to actions; if one does something against another's code, they may end up making unnecessary enemies. It's best to work together to achieve goals. Prepare for hell on RuneScape in Naval Cataclysm!

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17-Dec-2016 01:01:07

Raleirosen

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Sepulchre said :
Unless you go by honesty. Which is conveniently ignored to suit your purposes. Nope, honesty as a virtue becomes meaningless if the individual in question intends to deceive/manipulate. There is a clear distinction between someone who lives an open and honest life, who is sincere and trustworthy in everything they do (i.e. the ideal of virtuous honesty), and someone who works within the confines of what's considered "truth" to manipulate others without telling an outright lie. You cannot possibly argue that both of those technically honest people are virtuous.

Intention is the only thing that matters in this context. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

17-Dec-2016 01:13:38 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2016 01:14:29 by Raleirosen

Sepulchre
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Sepulchre

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Raleirosen said :
Sepulchre said :
Unless you go by honesty. Which is conveniently ignored to suit your purposes. Nope, honesty as a virtue becomes meaningless if the individual in question intends to deceive/manipulate. There is a clear distinction between someone who lives an open and honest life, who is sincere and trustworthy in everything they do (i.e. the ideal of virtuous honesty), and someone who works within the confines of what's considered "truth" to manipulate others without telling an outright lie. You cannot possibly argue that both of those technically honest people are virtuous.

Intention is the only thing that matters in this context. Virtuous? Since when is Virtuous the only way to be a "good person?"
Virtuous? I don't give a shit about Virtuous. I want somebody who has the balls to say it like it is. Bar the deceased, Zaros is the only god to do this. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

17-Dec-2016 01:20:11

Raleirosen

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Sepulchre said :
Virtuous? Since when is Virtuous the only way to be a "good person?"
Virtuous? I don't give a shit about Virtuous. I want somebody who has the balls to say it like it is. Bar the deceased, Zaros is the only god to do this. Er... alright. Well, you brought up honesty, a virtue, as a metric for judging a person's character, so I assumed you did give a shit about it.

But more importantly, if you were to pick one god who does not "say it like it is," it'd be Zaros. Y'know, the god who tells people what they want to hear... who is obsessively paranoid about loyalty and secrecy... possibly the least open deity in existence... come on, you couldn't have said that seriously. Patrolling Lore FC almost makes you wish for a Great Revision.

17-Dec-2016 01:28:50 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2016 01:29:55 by Raleirosen

Hazeel

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There's a reason why lawyers are considered to be the biggest liars even though they technically follow through all legally worded obligations and promises. Runescape doesn't need a hero...it needs a villain. An all encompassing force of evil that will remain ever-threatening and use chaos to make the peoples of Gielinor tolerate each other, grow strong together, and fight side by side against this evil. I am that villain.

17-Dec-2016 02:35:48 - Last edited on 17-Dec-2016 02:36:10 by Hazeel

Vardan

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Sepulchre said :
Raleirosen said :
Sepulchre said :
Unless you go by honesty. Which is conveniently ignored to suit your purposes. Nope, honesty as a virtue becomes meaningless if the individual in question intends to deceive/manipulate. There is a clear distinction between someone who lives an open and honest life, who is sincere and trustworthy in everything they do (i.e. the ideal of virtuous honesty), and someone who works within the confines of what's considered "truth" to manipulate others without telling an outright lie. You cannot possibly argue that both of those technically honest people are virtuous.

Intention is the only thing that matters in this context. Virtuous? Since when is Virtuous the only way to be a "good person?"
Virtuous? I don't give a shit about Virtuous. I want somebody who has the balls to say it like it is. Bar the deceased, Zaros is the only god to do this.
Zaros tells you what you want to hear by his own admission to Zamorak.
We sleep soundly in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.

18-Dec-2016 06:22:59

Ashlin107

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Well first off I'll point out that I believe Zaros didn't intentionally destroy Zamorak's statue outside the chaos temple. Rather it was a consequence of Azzandara and Zaros cracking the dimensional barrier to communicate which is why most of the other stuff happened during that scene like the wizard in the abyss nearly losing control of the portal and I doubt Zaros would intentionally want to destroy the universe.

Now onto the observational side of things.

I believe that Zaros hasn't made any empty promises. Yes I know I might sound crazy saying that but please hear me out. Because from what we've seen in his memory crystals he does intend to fix the Ilujanka's infertility. But only when he's achieved what he set out to do when he left Mah and that is to become an elder god.

So he will fulfil his promises but only when and if he becomes an elder god. So he will keep making promises that are half true till he achieves that goal.

Another thing too it seem Zaros functions like a robot making choices based off logic and probability. Meaning every move he makes is highly calculated and each move he makes is what he believes will have the highest chance of success. It also seems he is incapable of feeling emotion unless he is near Seren. Which no doubt plays into his calculative nature. But it also explains why tried to defend Seren from the Mahjarat since she is the only thing that allows him to feel emotion.

Whether or not we can trust him though. Well that all depends on what he'll do once he becomes an elder god and fulfils his promises. Because after all he has one less promise to make good on now. The statement below is false.
The statement above is true.

18-Dec-2016 11:59:20

Sepulchre
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Sepulchre

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Vardan said :
Sepulchre said :
Raleirosen said :
Sepulchre said :
Unless you go by honesty. Which is conveniently ignored to suit your purposes. Nope, honesty as a virtue becomes meaningless if the individual in question intends to deceive/manipulate. There is a clear distinction between someone who lives an open and honest life, who is sincere and trustworthy in everything they do (i.e. the ideal of virtuous honesty), and someone who works within the confines of what's considered "truth" to manipulate others without telling an outright lie. You cannot possibly argue that both of those technically honest people are virtuous.

Intention is the only thing that matters in this context. Virtuous? Since when is Virtuous the only way to be a "good person?"
Virtuous? I don't give a shit about Virtuous. I want somebody who has the balls to say it like it is. Bar the deceased, Zaros is the only god to do this.
Zaros tells you what you want to hear by his own admission to Zamorak. That's my point. Saradomin will never come out and say "I only told you want you wanted to hear." NONE of the other gods would. A
World Guardian
must learn to find
Balance
in themselves.
Only then can they
Control
themselves and forge their own
Fate .

18-Dec-2016 13:30:13

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