RuneScape Forum Archive | Did Forum Mods Kill Forums?

Sep

2011

Loki

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Wilf said :
Improving the forums? We're at the point where randoms (no offense Loki

) are having to message mods off site to try get them to come here. None taken.

I'm not on the forums as much as I once was thanks to shit captcha forcing itself onto me every 10 posts, and I prefer being a random than someone who is well known. That just paints targets on yourself.

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12-Aug-2022 10:14:42

2_Tron

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The way forum moderators are putting it right now is is that they like how things are and leave things unchanged where as The RuneScape Community for many years are begging to stop this wrecking of The RuneScape Official Forums due to being unable to socially interact with other players.
Players like to do in The RuneScape Official Forums what they could do also on Social Media but prefer not to go there due to personal reasons, which are private.
Forum moderators have been advocating for a long time for a more crowdy RuneScape Official Forums but what keeps players from staying away are these 'ridiculous unwritten rules' that make a forum experience right here a revolvingdoor experience, post and being send out due to unwritten rules.

12-Aug-2022 10:16:04

Feb

2005

Joel

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Wilf said :
So yes I suppose we could talk about improvements as it is more than likely that's all it will ever be: talk.
Well that's what these forums are for (especially feedback forums), talking, discussing, suggesting, problem solving - not just venting on people for the sake of venting on people because that doesn't solve anything.

@Roddy Piper, this thread isn't Forum Help, did you make a Forum Help report regarding that thread because I don't see it? We can't be everywhere all of the time hence why we have Forum Help for players to report issues. I'll take a look. Thanks.

@Tron, I don't know how far back you started using the forums but back in 2005/2006 I can tell you that players would be banned for merely posting a trade thread in Item Discussion. Thankfully that is no longer the case but is just one of many examples of how strict and extensive the rules were previously. To that point, it also meant that the Code of Conduct was massive and unreadable in addition to each forum's specific rules on top.

Direction shifted since then to a more streamlined ruleset mainly around ensuring we're all posting appropriately and respectfully with specific things applying to specific forums (e.g no politics in OT anymore etc). And from time to time, yes, changes are made in response to given circumstances that present themselves such as years ago when the ID forum had a bunch of problems.

And just to note, ultimately our actions are made on behalf of Jagex since these are their forums which is why Jagex would sanction us should we step out of bounds.

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12-Aug-2022 16:09:35

Feb

2005

Joel

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2_Tron said :
The way forum moderators are putting it right now is is that they like how things are and leave things unchanged where as The RuneScape Community for many years are begging to stop this wrecking of The RuneScape Official Forums due to being unable to socially interact with other players.
Players like to do in The RuneScape Official Forums what they could do also on Social Media but prefer not to go there due to personal reasons, which are private.
Forum moderators have been advocating for a long time for a more crowdy RuneScape Official Forums but what keeps players from staying away are these 'ridiculous unwritten rules' that make a forum experience right here a revolvingdoor experience, post and being send out due to unwritten rules.
How are you not able to socially interact with others right now? That's exactly what we're doing right now and what we do every day on these forums.

You can socially interact as much as you want, providing we're respectful to one another and so on

In regards to 'unwritten rules' being the main factor keeping people away from the forums - How can that be the case? Over the years, the rules on these forums have actually relaxed massively. Like I said in my above post, someone posting a trade thread in ID over a decade ago would get a ban which is extremely harsh.

So in the last 10+ years, we've seen a steady decline in activity while also at the same time rules in that same time period have relaxed. What has massively increased in popularity in the last decade? Social media. That is the single most prominent factor in the lack of activity on these forums and the fact that these forums now also lack the features and functionality most sites have these days.

In any case, this is digressing quite a lot and I've not seen one piece of constructive of feedback in the last several pages of this thread (at least) on what changes should or could be made. So what's the focus here?

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12-Aug-2022 16:20:29

Mar

2017

Windsofnight

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"In any case, this is digressing quite a lot and I've not seen one piece of constructive of feedback in the last several pages of this thread (at least) on what changes should or could be made. So what's the focus here?"

Maybe I should of placed a title above what I posted on page 10...

Constructive Feedback

"It is up to the RSOF community to make the RSOF a thriving community. One way to do this is by not falling into the habit of discounting the value of a discussion because someone has a difference of opinion (as noted within the content of this thread)."

WHERE IS MY INGAME RSOF TITLE?!

12-Aug-2022 17:25:31

Feb

2005

Joel

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^ I agree and apologies for overlooking that part of your post in my responses to the others.

I appreciate there's minimal activity from staff here, but to your point, Windsofnight, yes we as the community can indeed try and suggest and push for changes if its in the realm of possibility such as if it isn't functional or something requiring major work from Jagex.

That's why I'm trying to drag out out what the focus of this thread is (or at least what it should be).

So far it's been about "Who? Who? Who?". Who was it that changed ID rules? How did it happen? Who said what and when?...... none of that is solutioning anything, nothing changes by doing that.

So I guess the question from here is... what is the problem & how can it be solved? (maybe that's 2 questions

)

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12-Aug-2022 19:07:07

Sep

2012

Nead

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Joel said :
So I guess the question from here is... what is the problem & how can it be solved? (maybe that's 2 questions

)

Problem: Employees paid to focus on external social media.
Solution: Focus the same team more on the official forums and it's development.

Of course it's naturally easier said, than done.
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12-Aug-2022 19:18:53

Jul

2019

Wilf

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Loki said :
Wilf said :
Improving the forums? We're at the point where randoms (no offense Loki

) are having to message mods off site to try get them to come here. None taken.

I'm not on the forums as much as I once was thanks to shit captcha forcing itself onto me every 10 posts, and I prefer being a random than someone who is well known. That just paints targets on yourself.

Don't worry you're thought very highly of by the majority of the foruming community. Not quite at Windsofnight status for me though, which is saying something as I used to think they were intent on sucking the life from the forums via advocating for zero tolerance across the forums.

12-Aug-2022 20:40:26

Feb

2018

Scouse

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Joel said :
^ to your point - just because Jagex has decreased presence here vs years ago doesn't mean Forum Mods "make up" rules. We just ensure the existing ruleset is being followed and if any new issue arrises, Jagex would involve themselves in updating any rules as needed (e.g prohibiting politics back in 2020).

Pretty sure this is what i said...

Fmods are here to enforce the rules Jagex put in place while they sit back and moderate from a distance, it is just a shame that from that distance they secretly moderate the Fmods and punish them if they don't enforce their rules to the letter and at times don't care when they belittle them by removing their status.

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12-Aug-2022 21:48:16

Mar

2017

Windsofnight

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Thank you for the reply Joel & the acknowledgement that constructive feedback can be found within the contents of this thread.

"I appreciate there's minimal activity from staff here, but to your point, Windsofnight, yes we as the community can indeed try and suggest and push for changes if its in the realm of possibility such as if it isn't functional or something requiring major work from Jagex.

"

Because you engage on RSOF don't expect us to engage with you on RSOF

I agree that there has been minimal activity from the Jagex staff on RSOF. I believe that last post I saw was from a Jagex staff member was from a Player Support Mod rather than a CM Mod. If I recall this was to inform the RSOF community that even if Player support had the resources that the Player Support team would not engage the RSOF community due to 'low traffice on the forums means that our presence here wouldn't have the biggest impact."

This unfortunately is the same stance that the CM team has taken regarding engagement on RSOF.

With this mindset is it really in the realm of possibility that Jagex will make any changes to RSOF functional or otherwise?

It is hopeful thinking that it is in the realm of possibility that Jagex may make some positive changes to the fourms, however, it is doubtful that any changes to the RSOF will be implemented by Jagex. It appears that Jagex has pretty much abandoned their own forums. This isn't something that just happened, the decline in Jagex's participation within the forum has happened over the years. The thread I host, RSOF & Fansites has quite a bit of data outlining the decline. This is not opinion 'bashing' Jagex staff but rather an opinion that is made based on facts.

My question would be if Jagex's CM & Player Support teams are not going to make changes on RSOF then who can?

It is IMO that it would be the FMods & the RSOF Community.

WHERE IS MY INGAME RSOF TITLE?!

12-Aug-2022 22:24:24