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Joel
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^ to your point - just because Jagex has decreased presence here vs years ago doesn't mean Forum Mods "make up" rules. We just ensure the existing ruleset is being followed and if any new issue arrises, Jagex would involve themselves in updating any rules as needed (e.g prohibiting politics back in 2020).
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09-Aug-2022 03:21:37

Pis2ols
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Joel said :
^ to your point - just because Jagex has decreased presence here vs years ago doesn't mean Forum Mods "make up" rules. We just ensure the existing ruleset is being followed and if any new issue arrises, Jagex would involve themselves in updating any rules as needed (e.g prohibiting politics back in 2020).

I've already pointed to three specific rules that a Forum Mod made. They were not created by a Jagex Mod, they were done by a forum mod.

These rules killed off the friends chat system as well as the item discussion community on RuneScape Forums.
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09-Aug-2022 07:09:57 - Last edited on 09-Aug-2022 07:10:38 by Pis2ols

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So, to clarify, the opening post is actually just inaccurate vagueposting.

The real intention behind this thread is to seek clarification on moderator activities on the Item Discussions forum where forum moderators are able to set precedent on a higher level than we see on the rest of the forums.

I've noticed a lot of odd enforcement there as well. Some items aren't allowed to be price checked if they're on someone else's thread, when normally on the forums, duplicate threads are allowed as long as they're different enough.

It also feels like that subforum has some sort of turf war where players get the rights to make threads or squat on them or claim certain items. It's not healthy.


In regards to point 1 on the prior page: I don't see why a friends chat would be banned. Weekly events like penguins etc. have friends chats, so why shouldn't item discussions have them?

In regards to point 2, I don't believe players should be able to monopolize the flow of information. No one has the "right" to claim items for their item check threads.

In regards to point 3, if the thread is for price checking, then the posts should stay on topic and be for price checking. As far as I'm concerned, price checking isn't even "item discussion" and is a misuse of the forum. With the G.E. it is less necessary with the exception of infrequently traded items, and with the gold cap changes incoming, will become even less necessary soon.


While I am skeptical of item checking threads, yeah there's some weird things going on in Item Discussions. However, more lax moderation there wouldn't result in more players anywhere else on the forums. Price checking threads are easily abused by price manipulation and strict enforcement there is not done with ill intent, but there have been some questionable decisions.
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09-Aug-2022 15:12:34

Joel
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There's no way we as FMods can make up rules and just enforce them. That 100% does not happen. These are not our forums, they are owned by Jagex, we have to follow what rules they set and the guidelines that go with them. Period.

At most, Jagex may seek our input on things every so often but any rule change is a decision they make internally themselves and then communicate to us with their final decision.

So any rule changes you speak of, Jagex would not only be aware of, but also would have been the ones to make that decision, not us.

In any scenario in which something new arrises or something out of the usual day to day, we'd always consult not only the wider FMod Team but also CM & Jagex as needed to reach any solution as needed.
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09-Aug-2022 15:13:27

Loki
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Pis2ols said :
Joel said :
^ to your point - just because Jagex has decreased presence here vs years ago doesn't mean Forum Mods "make up" rules. We just ensure the existing ruleset is being followed and if any new issue arrises, Jagex would involve themselves in updating any rules as needed (e.g prohibiting politics back in 2020).

I've already pointed to three specific rules that a Forum Mod made. They were not created by a Jagex Mod, they were done by a forum mod.

These rules killed off the friends chat system as well as the item discussion community on RuneScape Forums. I was quite curious on the discussions a thread such as this may create, however, after 7 pages, it seems pretty clear this thread has just been created to attach another person who contributes to the forums.

Firstly, you keep claiming "specific rules that a Forum Mod made". You have absolutely no clue what happens behind the scenes in those secret FMod forums. Neither of us do, except Jagex and the FMods themselves. You really need to stop making claims for something you simply do not know the actual answer or truth to. I have no doubt in my mind that the FMod team would've discussed this first among themselves, before presenting several potentials for moving forward.

Speaking as a Discord Mod on the RS3 server, we come up with potential ideas and changes we'd like to implement, or anything raised by the community. We'll check into it thoroughly first, and then we'll poke CM to take a further look into it, and make the final decision. This will 100% be the same process the FMods make for the forums and any discussions they have.



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09-Aug-2022 20:04:40

Loki
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(continued from above)

Secondly, those of us who have used the forums for years, can see how much the FMods have advocated, especially in W&F regarding updates to the forums. They're the last group who would do anything to sabotage the activity on here, as that would be counter-intuitive and kill the community even more.

I've had my issues with certain FMods in the past, which have been justified in my opinion, however that doesn't mean I will paint the entire team as "making up their own draconian rules" or "trying to kill the forums". Even those I've had issues with, I don't think do those.

The rules put in place for ID, seem fair. The risk of manipulation there is quite high, especially when certain FCs are the only ones of their kind and can manipulate others.




As Mui mentioned, this thread appears to just be a cover up to target a particular FMod, and I honestly see no reason for this thread to continue being open. There's no more positive and constructive discussion to be had.
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09-Aug-2022 20:09:47

Pis2ols
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Loki said :
Speaking as a Discord Mod on the RS3 server, we come up with potential ideas and changes we'd like to implement, or anything raised by the community.
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Speaking as the creator of a item discussion community with over 1.3M unique users and 100k+ monthly active unique users, I'm simply citing reasons as to why Forums is dead now. No personal attacks, no naming, just the actions that led to Forum's demise.

I've already went out to prove that an item discussion community can be popular if you don't have terrible moderators. People are free to defend the existing rules, but Forums will remain dead. I'm simply here to see if there's any chance of revitalizing activity.

Closing down discussion is the main reason why a community such as Forums, that is literally meant for open discussion, dies and it's not surprising that one of the last 30-40 users would advocate for such.
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09-Aug-2022 20:25:34 - Last edited on 09-Aug-2022 20:36:12 by Pis2ols

Pis2ols
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Joel said :
There's no way we as FMods can make up rules and just enforce them. That 100% does not happen. These are not our forums, they are owned by Jagex, we have to follow what rules they set and the guidelines that go with them. Period.


Please let me know which Jagex Mod suggested the clause to prevent FC's from being mentioned on item discussion posts?

This rule was suggested, made, then enforced by a Forum Mod. Jagex Mods have the final say but these rules in specific were initially created by a forum mod.

I truly want forums to be popular again, which is why I wanted to open this discussion up to the last remaining members.
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09-Aug-2022 20:34:38

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