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Deltaslug

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@Pis2ols
I have to agree with 200m Defence.


If you read thru this thread, there is 0 disagreement on the fact that the forums are a shadow of their former level of activity.

If you also read thru this thread, you're not getting much support of your original premise as to the cause of the problem.

That said, you suggested that you could make something that was mechanically/technically better than the current Forums.
The Response?
Go for it!!!

We aren't being sarcastic. We aren't trolling you.
This is
sincerity
.
We would love to see a new forums. We would love to see something more modern. Better interfaces. etc.
If you are saying you can do it, and potentially better than the website team .... by all means ... show us.

23-Aug-2022 13:18:11

2_Tron

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Why was forum moderation better 'back in the days' than what it is right now?

Forum moderation back in the days was better accepted for the sheer fact that it was focussed at '
to welcome players in a positive way
' and cater their needs as much as possible.
Forum moderation back in the days was also more focussed at '
being able to meet the creators of RuneScape
' through The RuneScape Official Forums.

Why was forum moderation changed after Andrew Gower left?

Forum moderation did change/was changed based upon '
displeasure about several policies
' in The Office, displeasure shown by JMods, together with feedback from players in The RuneScape Official Forums. Calling out players of The RuneScape Community was one of the darker methods used to improve these forums.

Simply popping-in '
new modern software/interfaces
' or a '
different moderation structure
' doesn't do the job to improve The RuneScape Official Forums, making it a better place.
To improve these forums you fundamentally need to improve some basic processes and solve problems first before you are able to make something new that will last for a very long time, supported by The RuneScape Community at large.

For a long time Jagex/JMods have been altering basic processes moulding them into a better more accepted shape.

I do wonder if you people are able to point out what has been changed/improved?

24-Aug-2022 08:07:45

PvPMatter
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To put in my 2 cents, it seemed as though Mods took action on situations that brought controversy towards the unsuccessful path that RS3 has had the last 10 years or so. Reasoning for this could be many, for example they could be enjoying RS3 and with that, trying to over protect it as it is indeed falling apart, RS3 numbers literally get dwarfed compared to OSRS.

Seeing as though forums are as dead as it is, and mods are targeting players who potentially bring down RS3, little threat is brought upon them especially with the thread that allows players to report this abuse is not active.


WITH THAT BEING SAID

This makes Jagex look INCREDIBLY bad, the fact that they can't simply keep an eye out for complaints towards their forum mods, that work for free is literally insane and again shines light on how unsuccessful they have been with RS3, a literal disgrace that players can be abused by forum mods and no action will be taken unless it's insanely drastic, even then who knows.

ALSO

Not all forum mods are bad, I do apologize that this has to be brought up and talked about but I'm sure you can understand how it is necessary.

I never have seen mods take wrong doing action towards players in a large way, but again this can easily be hidden, and I never really looked out for it, but I for sure have seen it. It could have been unintentional, but this does not mean that players are not being taken advantage of, and this is the main importance here.

Player mods are great for the game, Jagex is obviously missing a lot of beats with this fine tuned game that it once was and cannot correctly manage a community.

-

Nothing will be done about this, Jagex literally runs their game manipulating their players for $, spending time/money to monitor mods protecting this method would just not happen.

I'd say I'm a fair level headed person but I would never get hired, I love this game for what it once was and the community but Jagex would hire someone unfit but positive
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03-Oct-2022 07:10:24 - Last edited on 03-Oct-2022 07:43:46 by PvPMatter

Tranq
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I've said it before and I'll say it once more. Effectively there were multiple things that lead to the decline of the forums.

1st. Was the grand exchange - Prior to the GE the trade forums were bustling as it was the only place to buy in bulk. After the GE was established the trading forums quieted down, that was alot of forum traffic. Since setting up trades wasn't as necessary any longer. Active trading went by the way side along with those that would peruse the forums while waiting for responses for their wares.

2nd. Social Media was truly the angelic horn trumpeting the decline of the forums. With more and more platforms out there for people to communicate. Why stay strictly on a gaming companies forum, that rarely if ever sees updates and is clunky. Also it doesn't help that the social media team goes where the masses are. Which works great in looking to grow a business. Go where your fans aren't to create new fans. It's a marketing strategy that works well. Either you're loyal base will come with you to interact as well or they don't. Making your loyal base who stuck with you on your own site disenfranchised. As people were finding out stuff before your loyal base by following J-mods on other sites. No heads up to your forum users about new and nifty things. But Reddit and twitter knew about the new things days before the updates.

3. Jagex's be everybodies friend mentality, rather than the disciplined parent they should have been. There were accounts that would receive endless warnings and wore they're mutes as badges of honor whenever they got busted, cause they'd just return on another account to cause a ruckus. Back in the golden days of the forums. It was a 3 strike rule and peace out. Now it's more like a 3 million warnings rule and even then, they may still be back tomorrow.

So it's not the f-mods that killed the forums, it's a myriad of factors. Starting with antiquated service and ending with Jagex policy.
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05-Oct-2022 03:41:13

PvPMatter
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I agree with TranQ, but I do really think EOC killed the forums if anything. It created a very large separation within the community and most likely caused a lot of harm, which we can see from the rise of OSRS itself.

To carry on Jagex themselves stopped caring about the community aspect of the game, and cared more about making profitable content instead of inspirational community content that creates growth in people. Which is why I consider this game toxicscape nowadays.

But to add on, I also do believe that some forum mods have negatively affected the small growth if any that may have occurred in these dying years, they seem overly aggressive for example, towards players who might visit while getting bored of the game, especially vets who returned and were confused on why RS3 was so dead content community wise.
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05-Oct-2022 06:25:11 - Last edited on 05-Oct-2022 06:26:41 by PvPMatter

Scouse
Feb Member 2018

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Archaeox said :
Pis2ols said :
As I said before, I am confident that I can create another RS forums on my own site and my version would be more popular just solely because the moderation team is different. Not sure what other evidence people need, a strawpoll?

Put your money where your mouth is, and do it then.


RS forums would not be RS forums without my good self and a few other names i won't mention =)

So idk, you might be able to create "a forum" but i can guarantee you won't be creating another "RS forums"

Best of luck with your glorified Discord =)

Much love

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14-Oct-2022 21:37:14

Rooh
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2006

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Tranq said :

1st. Was the grand exchange - Prior to the GE the trade forums were bustling as it was the only place to buy in bulk. After the GE was established the trading forums quieted down, that was alot of forum traffic. Since setting up trades wasn't as necessary any longer. Active trading went by the way side along with those that would peruse the forums while waiting for responses for their wares.


That's one that hadn't occurred to me and yes, it's probably a big factor.

Unfortunately that may get worse if the "max cash" cap gets increased... if that happens the price check threads in Item Discussion won't be needed, and they're a busy part of the forums. :(
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17-Oct-2022 14:24:14

invokedbyred
Jun Member 2022

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Just wanted to chime in here and say that social media has killed forums in their current state. People want to have a more instant way to communicate and forums are very 'analogue' and slow compared to the likes of Twitter or dare I say Reddit.

If the forums had a big upgrade to modernise them then it may help as they haven't really changed in the past 10 years. As much as I love the aesthetic of the RSOF, it's not made it easier to talk about the game.

19-Oct-2022 12:39:07

Vead
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I don't believe so O_o . I'd imagine social media was the biggest indicator. - (Owner) Ornery Onions -
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19-Oct-2022 16:57:15

Rooh
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invokedbyred said :
Just wanted to chime in here and say that social media has killed forums in their current state. People want to have a more instant way to communicate and forums are very 'analogue' and slow compared to the likes of Twitter or dare I say Reddit.

If the forums had a big upgrade to modernise them then it may help as they haven't really changed in the past 10 years. As much as I love the aesthetic of the RSOF, it's not made it easier to talk about the game.


Spot on. It's a "vicious circle" - people don't want to use the forums because they need modernising, Jagex don't seem to want to modernise because people don't use the forums enough (that's my assumption anyway)
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20-Oct-2022 12:59:13 - Last edited on 20-Oct-2022 12:59:50 by Rooh

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