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Tren
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... Tren said :
... Sorry but I had to clip your posts but did read them.
Moderation always has been/will be a balancing act and that will never change.
However, it shouldn't encourage bad/counter-productive behavior because that will undermine your moderation work entirely.
That General 'often the first forum that players go to' / 'it is often the first stop players make' is an overexaggerated statement, most of the time displayed by a player's profile showing them being present in different forums prior to going to General.
Of course, if you will moderate everything exactly according to the Code of Conduct/Strapline/Forum Specific Rules General would sooner face The Great Yellow Wall of Jagex and that's something you would like to prevent from happening and I agree, so that's why I suggest veterans take more responsibility.
... Tren said :
... Sorry but I had to clip your posts but did read them.
Moderation always has been/will be a balancing act and that will never change.
However, it shouldn't encourage bad/counter-productive behavior because that will undermine your moderation work entirely.
That General 'often the first forum that players go to' / 'it is often the first stop players make' is an overexaggerated statement, most of the time displayed by a player's profile showing them being present in different forums prior to going to General.
Of course, if you will moderate everything exactly according to the Code of Conduct/Strapline/Forum Specific Rules General would sooner face The Great Yellow Wall of Jagex and that's something you would like to prevent from happening and I agree, so that's why I suggest veterans take more responsibility.
12-Aug-2020 13:04:42
Mrs Ana
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Tuffty said :
Forum users can also alert F-Mods and CM Staff to a misplaced thread via the Forum Help thread. Which has been done for several threads. If reviewed the Mod checking it feels it needs moving it will be moved. If it's borderline then it will be reviewed by several F-Mods and CM staff and a call made later when time permits. I do this all the time. I see Account Help threads posted in General, Website and Forums, Tech Support and others. After I answer their questions and direct them to the correct Support article, then I go ahead to ask an F-Mod or CM to kindly move the thread to its correct location so that the player in question is able to receive the appropriate help and reception.
I'm sure that all F-Mods/CMs are able to see my reports in Forum Help and each one of them says, "May someone please move this thread to..." I do not get gain anything by simply reporting the thread to be moved without helping the person, specially, if what they need help with is Account Help. Like I have mentioned many times before, if you want to see the best in someone else, help them with their situation and educate them at the same time. Totally off topic, I am talking about veterans, long-time regulars, dismissing rules & regulations and continuously misplacing threads in the wrong forums, thus on purpose.
Tuffty said :
Forum users can also alert F-Mods and CM Staff to a misplaced thread via the Forum Help thread. Which has been done for several threads. If reviewed the Mod checking it feels it needs moving it will be moved. If it's borderline then it will be reviewed by several F-Mods and CM staff and a call made later when time permits. I do this all the time. I see Account Help threads posted in General, Website and Forums, Tech Support and others. After I answer their questions and direct them to the correct Support article, then I go ahead to ask an F-Mod or CM to kindly move the thread to its correct location so that the player in question is able to receive the appropriate help and reception.
I'm sure that all F-Mods/CMs are able to see my reports in Forum Help and each one of them says, "May someone please move this thread to..." I do not get gain anything by simply reporting the thread to be moved without helping the person, specially, if what they need help with is Account Help. Like I have mentioned many times before, if you want to see the best in someone else, help them with their situation and educate them at the same time. Totally off topic, I am talking about veterans, long-time regulars, dismissing rules & regulations and continuously misplacing threads in the wrong forums, thus on purpose.
12-Aug-2020 13:09:47
Tuffty
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Dong U Dead said :
What I don't understand is if a moderator writes a post in a thread, another moderator can't action in the thread prior to that moderators post or move the thread. I don't get that.
It's called Toe stepping.
There are ways around it that sadly I can't tell you about. Tis a secret.
It often takes a few hours to a few days to sort as said F-Mods may not be around. Once they are around it's then addressed and dealt with. It's rare any action is taken but it does get taken now and then without asking the F-Mod first. Very rare though.
It's been that way for ever really.
Also this maybe a secret too. If a F-Mod just posts as a normal person then another F-Mod comes along to moderate then thats fine as the first 1 or more have not been doing any moderating. It's often left to a F-Mod to action any and all reported issues on said thread. Thats called F-Mod courtesy or delegating. Been that way for ever too.
Hope that all helps why some action is taken and some action gets taken later on.
Just don't tell everyone our secrets.
It does happen all the time when it is convenient.
Dong U Dead said :
What I don't understand is if a moderator writes a post in a thread, another moderator can't action in the thread prior to that moderators post or move the thread. I don't get that.
It's called Toe stepping.
There are ways around it that sadly I can't tell you about. Tis a secret.
It often takes a few hours to a few days to sort as said F-Mods may not be around. Once they are around it's then addressed and dealt with. It's rare any action is taken but it does get taken now and then without asking the F-Mod first. Very rare though.
It's been that way for ever really.
Also this maybe a secret too. If a F-Mod just posts as a normal person then another F-Mod comes along to moderate then thats fine as the first 1 or more have not been doing any moderating. It's often left to a F-Mod to action any and all reported issues on said thread. Thats called F-Mod courtesy or delegating. Been that way for ever too.
Hope that all helps why some action is taken and some action gets taken later on.
Just don't tell everyone our secrets.
It does happen all the time when it is convenient.
12-Aug-2020 13:12:50
2_Tron
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Totally off topic, I am talking about veterans, long-time regulars, dismissing rules & regulations and continuously misplacing threads in the wrong forums, thus on purpose.
This is not off topic. What I see that you are missing is that most misplaced threads, if not all, are misplaced by new users. I have yet to see a veteran misplace a thread in General within the last few months. In fact, I went through the first 10 pages of General and not one moved thread was created by a "veteran".
If "veterans" were creating misplaced threads in General or any other sub-forum for that matter, I am pretty sure that it would have been quoted. You have yet to quote a misplaced thread by a "veteran". Now, if you you consider yourself a "veteran", then you misplaced your thread in General and it was moved to Rants. If that's the case, the only "veteran" that misplaced a thread, as far as I could find, was you. See: Jagex you are UNFAIR .
All in all, new users are misplacing threads in General because of its location here on the Forums, because of its title and because of its sub-forum description. When you are in desperate need of help and you see the General sub-forum, that's where you are going to post because it's the most adequate sub-forum for your urgent needs. Moderators haven't had any issues moving misplaced threads and it hasn't gotten to a point where it has become an issue. Moderators that have posted here have agreed that they are always fine with moving misplaced threads to the correct location.
Totally off topic, I am talking about veterans, long-time regulars, dismissing rules & regulations and continuously misplacing threads in the wrong forums, thus on purpose.
This is not off topic. What I see that you are missing is that most misplaced threads, if not all, are misplaced by new users. I have yet to see a veteran misplace a thread in General within the last few months. In fact, I went through the first 10 pages of General and not one moved thread was created by a "veteran".
If "veterans" were creating misplaced threads in General or any other sub-forum for that matter, I am pretty sure that it would have been quoted. You have yet to quote a misplaced thread by a "veteran". Now, if you you consider yourself a "veteran", then you misplaced your thread in General and it was moved to Rants. If that's the case, the only "veteran" that misplaced a thread, as far as I could find, was you. See: Jagex you are UNFAIR .
All in all, new users are misplacing threads in General because of its location here on the Forums, because of its title and because of its sub-forum description. When you are in desperate need of help and you see the General sub-forum, that's where you are going to post because it's the most adequate sub-forum for your urgent needs. Moderators haven't had any issues moving misplaced threads and it hasn't gotten to a point where it has become an issue. Moderators that have posted here have agreed that they are always fine with moving misplaced threads to the correct location.
12-Aug-2020 14:44:00
2_Tron
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The moment you are bumping someone else's thread another player is hinted that you, being the OP, are present looking forward to new/different/more feedback.
It also gives the impression that there are more players present in a forum, although the counter suggests otherwise.
Another issue is, that you create a situation that a player persistently likes to be on page 1 of a forum but it isn't actually the OP him-/herself bumping a said thread. 2_Tron, you have been here a long time so I am sure that you know the reason why Moderators have the ability to bump threads. If there is a disruptive user posting multiple threads and these get locked/hidden, then this means that other active threads are being pushed down and are not readily visible anymore. As soon as the Moderator(s) in question finishes their housekeeping, then they will try their best to restore order by bumping those threads back to the first page.
This tool isn't there to mess up with your own ability to bump your thread. It's there for extreme circumstances and if used, the Moderator must have a very good reason to do so. If it helps, my own thread RE: Political Discussions was also bumped by a Moderator. I'm just not sure if it were Louiellen or not. I didn't have a problem with it. It simply means that it was brought back up to the first page after some housekeeping. As always, if that concerned you that much, you are always welcome to report a Moderator's actions to FMR, but I'm sure you knew that
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The moment you are bumping someone else's thread another player is hinted that you, being the OP, are present looking forward to new/different/more feedback.
It also gives the impression that there are more players present in a forum, although the counter suggests otherwise.
Another issue is, that you create a situation that a player persistently likes to be on page 1 of a forum but it isn't actually the OP him-/herself bumping a said thread. 2_Tron, you have been here a long time so I am sure that you know the reason why Moderators have the ability to bump threads. If there is a disruptive user posting multiple threads and these get locked/hidden, then this means that other active threads are being pushed down and are not readily visible anymore. As soon as the Moderator(s) in question finishes their housekeeping, then they will try their best to restore order by bumping those threads back to the first page.
This tool isn't there to mess up with your own ability to bump your thread. It's there for extreme circumstances and if used, the Moderator must have a very good reason to do so. If it helps, my own thread RE: Political Discussions was also bumped by a Moderator. I'm just not sure if it were Louiellen or not. I didn't have a problem with it. It simply means that it was brought back up to the first page after some housekeeping. As always, if that concerned you that much, you are always welcome to report a Moderator's actions to FMR, but I'm sure you knew that
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12-Aug-2020 14:56:21 - Last edited on 12-Aug-2020 15:01:02 by Mrs Ana
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